Is it possible to live comfortably in your city on a salary of 100 thousand per month?

[Gudgeon]

TannaT, how old are you... 30+ like me (although closer to 40). Old is a state of mind. A guy can be old at 30, or young at 70. Screw these conventions I still feel like a boy. Like I’m 25 The main thing is to be young inside!

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Cujoi, to be honest with you... my life experience suggests that higher education is not a guarantee of success, even two of them is not a guarantee. Just as its absence is not a guarantee of failure. I know many people with less education who earn significantly more, and even those who are smarter than me. Experience and self-education rule! After technical school, you can be smarter than everyone else with a higher education (but rarely). So don’t get carried away. I have a friend who is in 9th grade... earns millions, but he affectionately calls me a louse As a joke, of course, he’s a good guy. Yes, and I helped him out sometimes before he got up. Good guy, responsive! Now he helps me out when I need to get cash.

[TannaT]

AlexTDV, You developed this topic, respect.

[Cujoi]

It’s all about the education diploma without them, no one cares that I know and can do more than the one with the diploma (( It’s happened more than once before. I’m just lazy and I still like the work

[Gudgeon]

It’s all about the crusts

Well... without a piece of paper you’re a poop, but with a piece of paper you’re a poop!
Folk wisdom!

[Ted_2023]

Guys, would you at least write down the city?
In Moscow time, 100 thousand is normal for one person, if there are no frills, medicines and doctors there.
Together - well, if you shrink down and don’t buy anything in particular, then that’s fine too.
Read the Tinkoff magazine, people there write very interestingly about their salaries and expenses.

Moscow is not Russia, much less other countries.
A friend of mine lives 80-90 times worse than our whole family - but Moscow.

Moscow is also a pleasure ((

[Serg_A]

Here they remembered the Indians... Thus, psychologists’ studies on satisfaction with their lives have shown
that the most people who are so satisfied are in India! Even homeless tramps enjoy life there. Why
is this?

I’ll explain to you, why is this. In India, everyone was born into their own caste (it’s correct to say Varna), and there it is impossible to move from caste to caste! That is, everyone was born in their own life imprisonment cell, for some it is very small, for others it is larger, for others it is just several rooms, and for others it is a palace with golf courses. Everyone born in his cell knows for sure that he will die in it, and there is no way out of it, so he will rejoice at any sunbeam on the wall of his cell...

[Serg_A]

Because life is bad for all cheaters, swindlers and tricksters, including! Conclusion:
one must live and work honestly!!! And then life will get better! Although not immediately

Which conference are you a preacher in?

[Ahah]

I worked for a month and a half at an enterprise in the field of mechanical and metal processing: creating a model from a drawing, writing a program for a CNC machine, conducting the processing process on a machine (parts of sizes from 10x10cm to 2x4 meters). Total: 45,000
Question to the Chief: Why so little?
Answer: Anyone can press buttons, we need a professional.
Fuck, they needed an ORCHESTRA man, damn it.
Yesterday I paid.

A similar story from the last place of work (3 years ago).
Robotic complex for the production of 3D mesh from wire. In a year I learned and understood it, knew every step and time to perform certain operations. Raised productivity from 250 grids to 600 in OWN shift ( 12 hours), even technically described all the processes in terms of productivity, the second shift made 200 meshes. But at the end of the month, the salary for both shifts was about 50 thousand rubles. each (2 teams of 3 people), I was paid a little more - 57 thousand rubles. Raising questions about why this is so, I deserve more, pay at least 70 tr - our shift is FUCKED - THE OTHER one is stupidly FUCKED, the management threw up its hands. I was patient.
When the new Sbshnik began to bother me about smoking without leaving the line and punishing me with a bonus, I paid it off after the 2nd "punishment".
Now this brigade is doing the same as before, 200-250 nets per day, both shifts, salary for everyone is 40 thousand rubles.
Recently, an acquaintance asked me that the director was interested in whether I wanted to come back, I answered - if they make 150 thousand rubles a month, I’ll come back, but in place of the line foreman.

By the way, they wrote about education...
For some, education gives education, knowledge , and for some, paper crusts
I’m already an old fart for you , retirement is still far away, since the NORTHERN are no longer are considered and it became even further, the education is average, the income was always above average if translated into dollars (since the RUBLE constantly flew with us), about $1000 +/-, but this is thanks to only the knowledge that I absorbed only while getting involved in my hobby when I was 10 years old.

[solaalrld]

A couple of years ago it was possible to live comfortably in our city, but now there is little comfort)

[Tanya]

Tell me, can you live without a post office, without doctors, without teachers, because they have a small salary, and you don’t even consider them people?

Listen, don’t talk about small salaries now. from doctors. I go to doctors. I drive my wife and child myself. Every "sneeze" from doctors costs money. You go to an appointment - 1500-3000 consultation and then you get 5 more tests, you come back with them and again a paid consultation. I remember I paid about 100 for childbirth under compulsory medical insurance (for a second). It was stuffed into my pockets. An anesthesiologist - 15, a doctor - 40, then a nurse, + all sorts of paid extras such as a ward, etc. And the doctor is not the only one who attends births on the day... You don’t have to pay, yeah, you can stubbornly wait for an appointment under compulsory medical insurance. And stand in line for some kind of MRI for 2-3 weeks or for an appointment with a specialist. Do you go to dentists? Doctors make good money (good). I’m not against it, I’m even very FOR! A doctor in the entire normal world is one of the highest paid professions. It’s good that we also left poor doctors, otherwise there would have been no one to treat us.
The same song is about teachers - if you are in demand, then they pay normally. At least in Moscow. Wife’s sister Russian and literature teacher there: 100+ (I don’t know exactly how much plus). Let’s go back to doctors - her husband is an ambulance paramedic: 150+. Oops, it turns out it’s working out fine! It’s clear that Moscow is not the whole country. Well, they also arrived. And here they earned much less. But it’s still worthy. It was necessary to earn more - they strained and succeeded. I like this position. And to sit and complain that 30 is not enough and do nothing... this is something wrong.
I won’t say anything about mail. How "Russian Post" works... it’s quiet horror.

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◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊, got it! I thought the permanent man in life. It’s a pity! Well, I wish to find a worthy companion. And don’t be miserly

As if all those payments to doctors are going on. They get practically nothing from them. Private medicine is basically, with rare exceptions, ancillary. There, practically no serious treatment is involved, and it is prohibited, since it is not able to meet all safety criteria. Yes, plus everyone, it is aimed at pumping money out of the population. They charge money for more comfortable conditions for spending time and not for treatment. This is so true. By the way, tomorrow is Doctor’s Day, on which I congratulate all doctors.

[Serg_A]

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs

You are still dark - there was no such thing in the USSR.

[Solgans1970]

The concept of comfort is different for everyone, it needs to be clarified. Some are comfortable in a tent in the forest, while others are comfortable in a hotel in the presidential suite. If the question is whether 100 thousand is enough for you, so as not to deny yourself anything. Personally, one hundred a month is enough for me. I can fulfill my wishes, there will still be left

[Ahah]

As if all those payments to doctors are going on. They get practically nothing from them. Private medicine is basically, with rare exceptions, ancillary. There, practically no serious treatment is involved, and it is prohibited, since it is not able to meet all safety criteria. Yes, plus everyone, it is aimed at pumping money out of the population. They charge money for more comfortable conditions for spending time and not for treatment. This is so true. By the way, tomorrow is Doctor’s Day, on which I congratulate all doctors.

Private clinic - They ordered some kind of medical lenses for a child - 25 tr (their cost) . BUT, add + consultation (1st free, 2nd + 1500 rub.) + first some trial ones did 3000 rub. (they didn’t fit) + solutions for cleaning lenses 700 rub. (2 small jars of some kind) + jars for storing them 500 rub. + made therapeutic lenses 25,000 rub. + some kind of solution for caring for them 2000 RUR. (a large jar, then at OZONE - we saw this jar for 500 rubles) + 2 consultations after starting to use these lenses 2*1500 rubles. (3000 rub.)
Total - 35,700 rub. (4 days of visiting - from the family budget minus 36,000 rubles)

[Faustian]

At today’s exchange rate, that’s a little more than $1,000. In Israel, this is below the subsistence level, that is, complete poverty!!! And please note that the same gadgets and travel and vacations cost the same almost everywhere! Many of you dream of 100k, but I can’t imagine how you can live and survive on this money

[Gudgeon]

there was no such thing in the USSR.

Of course it didn’t happen! This is a utopian slogan with a dose of insanity. I remembered about him in this way.

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Tania, private clinics are good when you need to quickly find out something or do something fairly routine. All sorts of ultrasounds, etc. I came when it was convenient for you, did it, went straight to a doctor’s consultation, and immediately got some results. In short, for initial diagnosis or condition monitoring. Of course, you won’t be treated there for anything serious.

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Faustinio, that’s what I’m talking about. It’s not more money at all. Enough to live. But to live with dignity - no. Let’s say a new car now costs 2-3-5 million (what are the requests). Well, here’s the salary a hundred square meters, or even 150, even if you save half of it, you’ll spend years saving for it. But the majority will not, they will take a loan for 5-7 years, overpay half the price... You can also remember about the mortgage. So weaving is not a lot of money, but just a subsistence allowance. Let’s say, for me alone, I had enough for everything and still had to put it aside. And supporting a family of 3 people is already stressful. Well, that is. You can have enough for food and clothing, but it’s more difficult to find any extras for rest or excess.

[Serg_A]

Of course it wasn’t! This is a utopian slogan with a dose of insanity. That’s how I remembered him.

I don’t know in what way you remembered it, I was still in college, damn it!
From each according to his ability - to each according labor! This is the principle of socialism, it was in the USSR.
From each according to his ability - to each according to his need. This is the principle of communism, but there was no communism in the USSR!
Learn a scientist, you don’t know anything.

[Gudgeon]

Serg_A, okay, I’ll remember :-D That we were not aware of communism.

[Arianna]

In my city it is possible. Less than 100 thousand population. We managed to take out a mortgage before the prices went up, for 15 years for a two-bedroom apartment (housing in the city is only secondary housing, there are no new houses) we pay 20 thousand. The salary for two is 80. For utilities we pay a maximum of 6 in the winter, we don’t exactly save on food, but we don’t either fattening, medium. We buy inexpensive clothes from marketplaces, I work from home, I don’t have to show off in front of my colleagues with expensive dresses and gold) this is a separate paradox, by the way, in our city a salary of 30 thousand is considered good, but the women are all hung with gold and each one has a fur coat and it’s a must manicure. But the number of loans in the family of these women is usually about three and they are still not paid off. And in such a team they look askance at people like me, but I will have more money on my card and have never had a single loan other than a mortgage in my life. I like to spend on the functionality rather than the appearance of things. A good computer is better than a fur coat, a robot vacuum cleaner is better than a gold chain, it’s better to save for a trip than for clothes ) I don’t skimp on skincare products. We try to regularly purchase something for ourselves, for our hobbies and interests, so that life does not seem like Groundhog Day. What I can’t afford with such a salary is long travel and a child. I understand that if a child appears, I will have to squeeze a lot within my means, I don’t want to live like this, think about buying meat or new shoes for the child today. Now both my partner and I are learning a new profession, we hope for a very good increase in income in about a year

[Beluga]

Comfort is such a thing, one and 25 tr. lives in comfort, and the other half of the cartoon still has some kind of discomfort, either small pearls or lobsters of the wrong doneness

[Scromnaga]

In my city it is possible. Less than 100 thousand population. We managed to take out a mortgage before the prices went up, for 15 years for a two-bedroom apartment (housing in the city is only secondary housing, there are no new houses) we pay 20 thousand. The salary for two is 80. For utilities we pay a maximum of 6 in the winter, we don’t exactly save on food, but we don’t either fattening, medium. We buy inexpensive clothes from marketplaces, I work from home, I don’t have to show off in front of my colleagues with expensive dresses and gold) this is a separate paradox, by the way, in our city a salary of 30 thousand is considered good, but the women are all hung with gold and each one has a fur coat and it’s a must manicure. But the number of loans in the family of these women is usually about three and they are still not paid off. And in such a team they look askance at people like me, but I will have more money on my card and have never had a single loan other than a mortgage in my life. I like to spend on the functionality rather than the appearance of things. A good computer is better than a fur coat, a robot vacuum cleaner is better than a gold chain, it’s better to save for a trip than for clothes ) I don’t skimp on skincare products. We try to regularly purchase something for ourselves, for our hobbies and interests, so that life does not seem like Groundhog Day. What I can’t afford with such a salary is long travel and a child. I understand that if a child appears, I will have to squeeze a lot within my means, I don’t want to live like this, think about buying meat or new shoes for the child today. Now we are both learning a new profession with our partner, we hope for a very good increase in income in about a year

If a child is in your life plans, then it is better not to delay. With each new year it will be more difficult to conceive, more difficult to bear, more difficult to educate and raise. With an increase in income, new needs arise, plus inflation, and it turns out that there is no more money. Although children require considerable investment, in my opinion it is very natural to have children. They are part of us and not such fabulous money is required to maintain them.
It’s another matter if you are not mentally prepared. Then of course the child may turn out to be a burden.

[Let’s]

Man is such a brute, his level of comfortable life increases with the level of his salary. And returning to his former comfort is no longer comfortable for him (I apologize for the tautology). Let’s say earlier, a man lived with a beautiful girl in a rented room and received 30 thousand. He gave half for renting an apartment, half for two for everything else, saved somewhere, ate a lot somewhere, so as not to spend money on lunch, to buy something for his girlfriend and she was sincerely happy about any small gift or a rose given and ate tea for breakfast with bread and butter. And they were comfortable because they loved each other, wanted each other. They enjoyed it. But then you want more. I started getting more money, they rented a one-room apartment, they started eating a sandwich with butter and some sausage on top... Then they bought an apartment with a mortgage... Or not with a mortgage... They just bought it and earned money... They live in their own apartment, they don’t eat tea and bread for breakfast and butter and sausage, and then scrambled eggs with sausage and coffee from a coffee machine... But there is no comfort. Sometimes he quarrels with his wife, sometimes he gets hemorrhoids at work. And I don’t want to go back to the comfort that was previously comfortable. Then I start earning a lot, enough for everything, but I want something else. And you want another girl, and the job with a salary of 200 thousand doesn’t seem so good and the five-year-old Mercedes is no longer the same, you want another one.. And then bam.. You have a salary of 200-500 million.. But there is no happiness and comfort. You are mired in making money around the clock, your wife, even if she hasn’t left, is cheating, and you can afford everything, and this does not bring any joy. With more money comes other needs and wants... No matter how much you give, it will always be not enough. Previously, you gave her a ring and there was sincere joy, a sparkle in her eyes, then you gave her a car, and the reaction seemed to be as it should be, joy of course, but not the same as before from the ring. And the bar has been raised, on your next birthday you can no longer give a cheap ring. (the story is based on real events, although not with me, but I am a witness). This is what I mean - comfort, first of all, is in our heads, and not in the amount of dough. Naturally, they should be enough to cover basic needs. But you can live comfortably on 100-130 thousand in Moscow time, for a family, in a rented apartment.

[Arianna]

Scromnaja,
I think that If I really needed a child now, I would have given birth already, and I don’t care about the money. Apparently it’s not needed
And I wouldn’t say that you don’t need a lot of money for it. It still needs to be... Well, or I don’t know. I just often see relevant examples nearby from friends. One day, while on maternity leave, she constantly came running for diapers, my boyfriend’s mother brought him home from work or borrow money, like the kids haven’t arrived yet, there’s not enough for something. so then she mentioned that her husband gets 150 thousand. Well, how the fuck, for the life of me, I don’t understand. Does everything go to the child or where? Almost everyone I know with children goes and borrows money.

[Arianna]

Or take my parents. In this very city, where I now live, they had their own two-room apartment, bought with the help of my grandparents. The salary for two was about 50. It seems that I don’t have to pay a mortgage and for rent, but I didn’t have money for a bicycle, clothes for school were bought for me at the market from the Chinese, I was immediately told to study on the budget, on the paid one that I wanted, there was no money. And the parents themselves did not show off either. As a student, I lived on my scholarship; my parents only paid for the place where I lived. Therefore, now I probably don’t want to infringe on myself financially in any way; I don’t want to save on food like before. I don’t want the best for the child, but for myself what happens)) you can consider me selfish, but that’s okay. I have a huge family tree, my relatives have many children, the family line continues) someday maybe I will mature too, there is time

[Scromnaga]

Scromnaja,
nI think that if I really needed a child now, I would have given birth already, and I wouldn’t care about the money. Apparently it’s not needed
And I wouldn’t say that you don’t need a lot of money for it. It still needs to be... Well, or I don’t know. I just often see relevant examples nearby from friends. One day, while on maternity leave, she constantly came running for diapers, my boyfriend’s mother brought him home from work or borrow money, like the kids haven’t arrived yet, there’s not enough for something. so then she mentioned that her husband gets 150 thousand. Well, how the fuck, for the life of me, I don’t understand. Does everything go to the child or where? Almost everyone I know with children goes and borrows money.

I have two. When there is not enough money, the problem is usually not in income, but in the inability to plan expenses according to the family budget. Although there are force majeure events, of course. It is possible to raise a child on a small budget. Life will simply be more modest, but this will not make it fundamentally worse.
But, I agree with you. When you want a child, you will give birth to one. Apparently the time has not come yet.