He stabbed him in the chest in front of passers-by. The court found a 42-year-old Muscovite guilty of murdering his ex-wife

[Tanya]

Dragonfly, courts, as a rule, give much more for premeditated murder, so most likely there was constant communication on her part, perhaps she demanded something, most likely it was leading to murder. This is what I meant. I know quite a bit about this, I worked as a bailiff for 9 years, if that.

[Beluga]

rather, this is leading to murder

as an option, women often do not take into account that a man also has nerves, emotions, feelings and that he can break

[Venus]

Dragonfly, courts, as a rule, give much more for premeditated murder, so most likely there was constant communication on her part, perhaps she demanded something, most likely it was leading to murder. This is what I meant. I know quite a bit about this, I worked as a bailiff for 9 years, if anything.

This is not an old case. In today’s news feed. Today’s news. Read it, everything is described in detail there. There are photos of her and a video of the murder itself. And details of the case materials. She didn’t demand anything. They just got divorced because he found someone else, and she lived with her son, and now she had a man and it started to piss him off. He threatened her repeatedly, and then generally said that he would kill her. You better read it yourself. Or there is a video from today’s NTV news. Look there.

[niqk]

Tanya, wow!!! And how did you end up on the PORN forum?!

[Tanya]

Tanya, wow!!! And how did you end up on the PORN forum?!

It was a long time ago... from 1992 to 2001, but there are no former cops... and so is the bailiff court. And I’ve been on such forums since 2009..

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This is not an old case. In today’s news feed. Today’s news. Read it, everything is described in detail there. There are photos of her and a video of the murder itself. And details of the case materials. She didn’t demand anything. They just got divorced because he found someone else, and she lived with her son, and now she had a man and it started to piss him off. He threatened her repeatedly, and then generally said that he would kill her. You better read it yourself. Or there is a video from today’s NTV news. Look there.

So, look... There is a common son who stayed with his mother. She found someone else, apparently either turning her son against his father, or there was a dispute over the issue of alimony, or asking for the child’s abandonment. If you knew how much I’ve seen enough of such mothers... there was even a court decision to oblige the father to see the child, I, like an idiot, had to force the father to carry out this decision, he was so angry then, he went on business trips and could not in those days , that the court determined and he threatened his ex in front of me.. And here, I repeat, we don’t know the real circumstances. He can’t kill out of nowhere after 5 years, like out of jealousy. I do not condone murder, in any way! I write that for intentional crime without mitigation they give 9 years and above, but 7 in this case means that the court found something to give so little for. No one will ever put all the materials of the case and the entire verdict on the Internet; journalists often write not entirely reliably. I repeat one thing: no one but God can decide people’s lives, and we have no right to wish death even on a murderer.

[Beluga]

Journalists often write not entirely reliably.

Sometimes journalists write either for the sake of hype or by order and believing the news is a matter of personal choice

[Venus]

Tanyushka, wow!!! And how did you end up on the PORN forum?!

It was a long time ago... from 1992 to 2001, but there are no former cops... and so is the bailiff court. And I’ve been on such forums since 2009..

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This is not an old case. In today’s news feed. Today’s news. Read it, everything is described in detail there. There are photos of her and a video of the murder itself. And details of the case materials. She didn’t demand anything. They just got divorced because he found someone else, and she lived with her son, and now she had a man and it started to piss him off. He threatened her repeatedly, and then generally said that he would kill her. You better read it yourself. Or there is a video from today’s NTV news. Look there.

So, look... There is a common son who stayed with his mother. She found someone else, apparently either turning her son against his father, or there was a dispute over the issue of alimony, or asking for the child’s abandonment. If you knew how much I’ve seen enough of such mothers... there was even a court decision to oblige the father to see the child, I, like an idiot, had to force the father to carry out this decision, he was so angry then, he went on business trips and could not in those days , that the court determined and he threatened his ex in front of me.. And here, I repeat, we don’t know the real circumstances. He can’t kill out of nowhere after 5 years, like out of jealousy. I do not condone murder, in any way! I write that for intentional crime without mitigation they give 9 years and above, but 7 in this case means that the court found something to give so little for. No one will ever put all the materials of the case and the entire verdict on the Internet; journalists often write not entirely reliably. I repeat one thing, no one but God can decide people’s lives and we have no right to wish death even on a murderer.

I conducted an examination last year men. He had already served time for murder, only two weeks ago he got out and killed a second time.
They can kill. Moreover, normal people, but we can’t kill murderers?
In our current case, the killer is 42, by 50 he will be released and could easily serve a couple more prison sentences. Kill him a couple of times, and then he will retire.
Before the new year we had a murder, the guy there is generally 22, even if they give him, as you say, 9 years, then by the age of 31 he will be released and if we take it in general , then such laws stimulate violence. They ask for alimony, why pay, they’d rather go and kill him, that’s what happens if you only sit for nine years afterwards. They rudely said they would kill me.
Last year there was a murder in the Moscow region, there a woman was walking her dog and made a remark, and the man killed her for it. They didn’t know each other at all.

[Tanya]

Dragonfly, but do you think the death penalty is necessary for murder? Do you know that people do not have the right to carry out such a trial and murderers do not always kill again? It’s so good that we have a moratorium on the death penalty...
When I started working in court. then at first she was a secretary of court sessions and was present at more than one court session... with the judge of the supreme court. In our court then they passed death sentences and managed to carry out some of the sentences... do you know where that supreme judge is now? He has now been in the monastery for almost 20 years... He asks God to forgive him for taking on the function of God.

[Beluga]

"- Tell me: is killing good or bad?
- Bad.
- Is it good or bad to kill a tigress who attacked a child?
- Good.
— Who is it good for: for a child or for a tigress and her cubs?"

[niqk]

Tanyushka, so we should feel sorry for the murderers? They brought him down, poor thing, you know. And he couldn’t stand it.
He couldn’t stand it - once, twice, three times... And I feel sorry for his victims. I feel sorry for the relatives of those killed. If the murderers had been executed in public, then it is very possible that others would not have grabbed the knife. And there would be fewer victims...

[Venus]

Dragonfly, but do you think the death penalty is necessary for murder? Do you know that people do not have the right to carry out such a trial and murderers do not always kill again? It’s so good that we have a moratorium on the death penalty...
When I started working in court. then at first she was a secretary of court sessions and was present at more than one court session... with the judge of the supreme court. In our court then they passed death sentences and managed to carry out some of the sentences... do you know where that supreme judge is now? He has now been in the monastery for almost 20 years.. He asks God to forgive him for taking on the function of God.

I was somewhere recently I read that we had a human rights activist in our country. There he was, when we had conversations about returning the death penalty, he was always an ardent opponent of it. Traveled to correctional facilities. So active and positive, and then his daughter and her husband were killed. Very young. They were driving somewhere, stopped for the night, and there they were found dead in the car. After that, he left human rights activists and wrote a petition to return the death penalty.
He also thought that it was good that we had a moratorium. I don’t know if the former human rights activist himself is alive, but the killers of his daughter have already served time and are released. To freedom, with a clear conscience
And the murderer about whom the topic will also come out will live in peace and this is not fair.

[Tanya]

And who pities the murderers? I’m not talking about pity for the murderer, but about the commandment, thou shalt not kill.. If the rule of an eye for an eye worked, then the world would really become kind and fluffy, but the entire existence of humanity speaks of the opposite. cruelty only breeds cruelty. Because the USSR had the death penalty. There were fewer murders than there were now, unfortunately. The reasons for murders are different and all murderers should be punished, but not subjected to deprivation of life.
And as for justice... this is not about the criminal code, when sentencing, the court is guided by the law, because justice is different for everyone... and the law one for everyone.

[Venus]

And who feels sorry for the murderers? I’m not talking about pity for the murderer, but about the commandment, thou shalt not kill.. If the rule of an eye for an eye worked, then the world would really become kind and fluffy, but the entire existence of humanity speaks of the opposite. cruelty only breeds cruelty. Because the USSR had the death penalty. There were fewer murders than there were now, unfortunately. The reasons for murders are different and all murderers should be punished, but not subjected to deprivation of life.
And as for justice... this is not about the criminal code, when sentencing, the court is guided by the law, because justice is different for everyone... and the law one for everyone.

Look at the statistics. There were more people in the USSR, but there were fewer murders. Well, there are 7 commandments. Do you keep them all?

[Tanya]

Of course, not all of them.. I commit adultery and sometimes I desire a husband.. someone else’s.. I have such sins. So I’m not a saint, I sin and repent..

[Venus]

Of course, not all of them.. I commit adultery and sometimes I desire a husband.. someone else’s.. there are such sins. So I’m not a saint, I sin and repent..

Well, you see, these commandments are the seven deadly sins. None of them, more or less. All seven of them are the same in severity.
This topic was just an excuse to speculate whether the punishment corresponds to the crime. Does it punish the criminal to the fullest extent? Can it serve as a prevention of murders, both for the criminal himself and for those around him, so that they understand that the punishment will be severe and serious. 7 years is not serious. If not the death penalty, then let him be imprisoned for 4 years. So that even a young killer does not have a chance to relapse, does not have a chance to enjoy life

[Tanya]

Strecoza, look, you have already calmed down and do not crave mortal executions..well done. Yes, sometimes our punishments for serious crimes are not too severe, and sometimes, on the contrary, for completely trivial ones they give 10 years or more... But the main thing is that any person has a chance to repent, reform, and not be killed.

[Venus]

Strecoza, look, you’ve already calmed down and you don’t crave the death penalty..well done. Yes, sometimes our punishments for serious crimes are not too severe, and sometimes, on the contrary, for completely trivial ones they give 10 years or more... But the main thing is that any person has a chance to repent, reform, and not be killed.

No, I am for the death penalty. In cases such as today, when the murder occurred under a CCTV camera and in front of numerous witnesses, the death penalty can be applied boldly, but he would repent before carrying out the sentence. I just don’t think he knows a single prayer.
This was written above about forty years. This is how much they gave a man for murder in America. Also a good punishment in principle. This can stop a potential murderer, and if he doesn’t, he will rot in prison.
Our murderer will come out quickly and still enjoy this life, although he took someone else’s.

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

There were more people in the USSR, but there were fewer murders. Well, what about the 7 commandments? Do you follow everything?

The uniqueness of the USSR propaganda work was in the ability to hide disasters. They learned about the disaster through word of mouth or if a famous person died.
Citizens need to be informed that everything is wonderful in their country and everyone is moving towards a bright future.
There was no less murder and hatred. There was no publicity about this.
Only in the local newspaper a couple of lines like
"Citizen N. struck Citizen K with a log. "
And at the end of the 80s and 90s, what was happening.

[Eustace]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5cyURPXX ... ture=share

Добрых людей больше.!!!

[Venus]

There were more people in the USSR, but there were fewer murders. Well, what about the 7 commandments? Do you follow everything?

The uniqueness of the USSR propaganda work was in the ability to hide disasters. They learned about the disaster through word of mouth or if a famous person died.
Citizens need to be informed that everything is wonderful in their country and everyone is moving towards a bright future.
There was no less murder and hatred. There was no publicity about this.
Only in the local newspaper a couple of lines like
"Citizen N. struck Citizen K with a log. "
And at the end of the 80s and 90s, what was happening.

I did not live in the USSR. When the USSR was born, it no longer existed. Yes, I was born in Germany and lived there before school, so I didn’t experience the 90s in Russia, and even if I did, I would still have been little at that time. Therefore, when I hear comparisons with the USSR and the 90s, I don’t feel anything. I live here and now. I understand that it was bad in 90, in 1917, in 1812, BC and in the Stone Age. But the conversation is about today.
The topic is about a murder that happened last year and the verdict in this case was pronounced yesterday. The sentence does not at all correspond to what was done. Not very long ago, a verdict was passed when a man burned his wife. They gave him 5 years. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

[Watchman]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5cyURPXX . .. ture=share

There are more kind people.!! !

But the bad ones are better organized!!!

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Of course, not everything.. I commit adultery and sometimes I desire a husband.. someone else’s.. I have such sins. So I’m not a saint, I sin and repent. .

We will all repent, but not here and not now, although it will be too late.

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For premeditated brutal murder they gave only 7 years. It turns out that human life is worth nothing.

No, this just means that the court, in accordance with the law, made such a decision, taking into account all the facts known to it (the court), dissatisfied softness/severity always have the right to appeal a court decision.

[Venus]

No, this just means that the court, in accordance with the law, made such a decision, taking into account all the facts known to it (the court), those dissatisfied with the leniency/severity always have the right to appeal the court decision.

))) Thank you for explaining, otherwise I didn’t know. But the topic is not about that at all, and you understand this perfectly well.

[Watchman]

No, this just means that the court, in accordance with the law, made such a decision, taking into account all the facts known to it (the court), those dissatisfied with the leniency/severity always have the right to appeal the court decision.

))) Thanks for explaining, otherwise I didn’t know. Only the topic is not about that at all and you understand it perfectly well.

Please, especially if you didn’t know. ))
What about? Why is killing bad? So yes it is.
Did they give you little? Perhaps, although planer is not a resort.

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

I did not live in the USSR.

On what basis do you then mention the USSR. You are already comparing.

There were more people in the USSR, but there were fewer murders.

[Venus]

I did not live in the USSR.

On what basis do you mention the USSR then. You are already comparing.

There were more people in the USSR, but fewer murders.

n They gave me the USSR as an example and I immediately googled statistical data and wrote an answer based on this data.

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No, this just means that the court, in accordance with the law, made such a decision, taking into account all the facts known to it (the court), dissatisfied softness/severity always have the right to appeal a court decision.

))) Thank you for explaining, otherwise I didn’t know. Only the topic is not about that at all and you understand it perfectly well.

Please, especially if you didn’t know. ))
What about? Why is killing bad? So yes it is.
Did they give you little? Perhaps, although the planer is not a resort, as one might think.

Resort or not a resort does not matter. The killer lived, and this is not fair. He will pose a real threat when he is released, and that is dangerous. The term is short in its essence, especially for those who have not yet been behind bars, and this creates the illusion of impunity, which means that such a punishment will not stop someone else who decides to kill.

[Natalie]

those dissatisfied with the softness/severity always have the right to appeal the court’s decision.

I’m not happy with the softness! Where to appeal? According to your male logic, if you insulted, insult back. If you hit me in the face, hit me back. Not enough strength? Wipe your snot and leave. If you were deprived of life - ?????????

[Murena0314]

There were more people in the USSR, but there were fewer murders. Well, what about the 7 commandments. Do you keep everything?

I, too, only saw the very end of the USSR, and even then when I was small. But it seems to me that there were probably no less murders, they were simply hidden, like many other things (disasters, major accidents, etc.). Only the most resonant cases came to the top, which could not be hidden, and any everyday affairs, only the participants and the relevant authorities knew about it. Yes, then there was probably less access to weapons, since most murders are committed with kitchen knives; a barrel is not needed for this.

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

They gave me the USSR as an example and I immediately googled statistical data and wrote an answer based on this data.

well, I wouldn’t trust statistics in general.
Not the one with her 200% fulfillment of plans, not the current one who edits the one.
Now there is such a swing and denigration of the USSR, and they say that now is better than then.
I wouldn’t believe it. Believe your eyes!
But according to the State Statistics Committee, everyone here eats red caviar and lives in cottages.

[Natalie]

well, I wouldn’t trust statistics,

I wouldn’t sneeze at statistics! What sentence would you give?
And if it was your mother? Sister, daughter?

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

What sentence would you give?
And if it was your mother? Sister, daughter?

how should I know? If only.
History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. (WITH)

[Natalie]

how should I know? If only.

but we are not talking about history here. About your personal choice. Do you have the scales of Themis and the sword of justice in your hands? What’s your verdict?

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

Do you have the scales of Themis and the sword of justice in your hands? What is your verdict?

In accordance with the Criminal Code of the country where I live or will live

[Natalie]

Do you have the scales of Themis and the sword of justice in your hands? What is your verdict?

In accordance with the country’s Criminal Code

and there, f*cking hell from 5 to life! You’ve heard the story too. Make a choice!

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

Make a choice!

I won’t.
I have not heard, read, or seen the story about their relationship.
I only know about the murder, but I don’t know what prompted him to do it. No medical reports were provided.
You know, it’s like a man stole a chicken, and they decided to execute him. Why did he do it, I don’t care, execute him.
Find out the motives, and then judge.

[Watchman]

I’m not happy with the softness! Where to appeal?

Are you the injured party in this incident? If so, then contact the higher court!

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What if it was your mother? Sister, daughter?

And if this is your son, father, husband?

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The term is short in nature, especially for those who have not yet been behind bars

Yes???? Most likely, the period is not long for experienced sitters... although considering that this is a planer... and especially not for a first mover.

[Venus]

Yes???? Most likely, the period is not long for experienced sitters... although considering that this is a planer... and especially not safe for a first mover.

I’ll tell you I asked about your criminal record and you wrote that you have no criminal record. So why are you writing here, what is there and how?

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You know, it’s like a man stole a chicken, and they decided to execute him

The topic here is not about theft chicken, but about killing a person. And this is not a domestic conflict, when they were arguing and the husband grabbed a knife. Ah, a deliberate, planned murder. The killer was waiting for his wife when she left work for several hours.
Nothing can justify this.

[Watchman]

Yes???? Most likely, the period is not long for experienced sitters... although considering that this is a planer... and especially not safe for a first mover.

I’ll tell you I asked about your criminal record and you wrote that you have no criminal record. So why are you writing here, what is there and how?

Do you have a lot of personal experience? Or are you here going broke about murders and executions - a large list of the highest social protection measures carried out?

[Venus]

Yes???? Most likely, the period is not long for experienced sitters... although considering that this is a planer... and especially not safe for a first mover.

I’ll tell you I asked about your criminal record and you wrote that you have no criminal record. So why are you writing here, what is there and how?

Do you have a lot of personal experience? Or are you going broke here about murders and executions - a large list of the highest measures of social protection carried out?

I read the news yesterday and was outraged. As much as I read, they don’t even give 10 years for such murders. Although for such characters there should be execution.

[Watchman]

I asked you about your criminal record and you wrote that you have no criminal record. So why are you writing here, what is there and how?

Do you have a lot of personal experience? Or are you going broke here about murders and executions - a large list of the highest measures of social protection carried out?

I read the news yesterday and was outraged. As much as I read, they don’t even give 10 years for such murders. Although for such characters there should be execution.

And I don’t presume to judge without knowing the whole background.

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

The topic here is not about stealing a chicken, but about killing a person. And this is not a domestic conflict, when they were arguing and the husband grabbed a knife. Ah, a deliberate, planned murder. The killer was waiting for his wife when she left work for several hours.
Nothing can justify this.

About the chicken, this is how I see your desire to condemn and execute, execute, execute!
And in your opinion, is it just the kitchen? It seems that the relationship between M and F is already everyday life.
Murder is already a consequence of everyday life. Or a consequence of resentment for some act.

[Venus]

The topic here is not about stealing a chicken, but about killing a person. And this is not a domestic conflict, when they were arguing and the husband grabbed a knife. Ah, a deliberate, planned murder. The killer was waiting for his wife when she left work for several hours.
Nothing can justify this.

About the chicken, this is how I see your desire to condemn and execute, execute, execute!
And in your opinion, is it just the kitchen? It seems that the relationship between M and F is already everyday life.
Murder is already a consequence of everyday life. Or a consequence of resentment for some act.

Well, do you think you can kill a person because of resentment? And, you can’t kill a person who killed a person?
I don’t understand one thing. Whatever happened to them in everyday life, they divorced 5 years ago. Everyone has their own life. She didn’t kill anyone. But he killed her. And....
She could have been killed for something, but he was absolutely not allowed
Why? You can explain, but without the chickens.
We have two people. One who didn’t kill anyone, but she was killed. And another who killed, but he himself cannot be killed. Why?

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n

Do you have a lot of personal experience? Or are you going broke here about murders and executions - a large list of the highest measures of social protection carried out?

I read the news yesterday and was outraged. As much as I read, they don’t even give 10 years for such murders. Although for such characters there should be execution.

But I don’t presume to judge without knowing the whole background.

Well, that is, there are things for which, in your opinion, one can kill, right?

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

You didn’t think that society was to blame for the murder.

[Venus]

You didn’t think that society was to blame for the murder.

Such murders are the result of impunity. If yesterday they had read out the verdict on the death penalty in other similar cases, then many would have thought well.
When he threatened to kill her, he wrote that he was not afraid of prison, that he would kill and serve time. He knew that nothing would happen, and if he had known that he would be shot, there would not have been a murder. I would have stopped and calmed down.

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

I would have stopped and calmed down

No.
He would give his life in exchange for hers.

Again there were preconditions, threats.
And society doesn’t give a fuck. The cops weren’t wary; the friends waved both her and him away.
Result

[Venus]

I would have stopped and calmed down

No.
He would give his life in exchange for hers.

Again there were preconditions, threats.
And society doesn’t give a fuck. The cops weren’t wary; the friends waved both her and him away.
Result

The police do not have a tool capable of resolving these issues.
He would not give his life. Such people can only kill, and are afraid to die.

[alexandrovich.dmitry]

Such people can only kill, and are afraid to die.

Well, this is purely your opinion.
The shooting did not stop Chikatillo from killing children. Golovkin for killing children.
Ted Bundy, John Wayne
None of them were stopped by the death penalty

[Venus]

The shooting did not stop Chikatillo

There is a video in which Chikatilo asks not to take his life. This alone was worth introducing the death penalty. So that the killer would not live quietly until old age, but would flinch at every creaking door and footstep in the corridor, fearing that they had come to carry out the sentence.

[Natalie]

that society is to blame for the murder.

society is only to blame for the fact that an inadequate person who threatens with violence should be given an order not to approach 300 m to the object of harassment. This idiot has a bracelet on his ankle, and his ex has an app on his phone to show how far away this crazy person is. Then nothing would have happened. But society did not help. It is only possible to save potential victims and punish this criminal. I’m generally against such crazy people walking down the same street with me.

[Venus]

Kenneth Eugene Smith was executed with nitrogen gas two days ago. He was sentenced to death for the murder of his wife. And, even though more than 30 years had passed since the murder, this creature had no intention of committing suicide.
It is high time for us to return the death penalty. Creatures should not live among normal people, and in principle they should not live.

[RANGE_]

there was constant communication on her part, perhaps she demanded something, rather it was leading to murder. This is what I meant. I know quite a bit about this, I worked as a bailiff for 9 years,

It turns out to be a type of domestic violence, so the term is shorter.