Sex on the first date

[Serg_A]

People, languages ​​have nothing to do with it

Language as a tool for expressing thinking). n

The Ukrainian language is essentially a dead language. Nothing develops on it.

[SweetyBaby]

I, of course, haven’t read them, but I’m wondering, you probably describe people there who are B and Sh, as I understand it, you treat your heroes with disdain?

I never even thought about it. I am an author and I just write stories, this is my job, so my attitude towards the characters is neutral.

[NewDim]

And my wife and I had sex on our first date, well, on our first real date, in the sense that it doesn’t count when we were young. True, only sex, no oral, we had a good time anyway. It later became clear that this was a common thing for her; she rarely gave in at first.

[etc]

The Ukrainian language is essentially a dead language. Nothing develops on it.

They have a strange situation there. How can scientists express themselves in it?

[King Bird]

Language as a tool for expressing thinking).

Nobody argues with this. But at the same time, a language in itself cannot be “bad” or “good”.

[etc]

Language as a tool for expressing thinking).

Nobody argues with this. But at the same time, a language in itself cannot be "bad" or "good".

We started from another: well, women - not so long ago, by historical standards, began to be considered people.
In the Ukrainian language, a man is a man, and a woman is a woman. This is a topic for discussion, language reflects thinking).

[Hair shirt]

We started with something else: well, not so long ago, by historical standards, women began to be considered people.
In the Ukrainian language, a man is a man, and a woman is a woman. This is a topic for discussion, language reflects thinking).

If an adult woman is suddenly turned into a man, then I think she herself will not like it very much. You won’t like the fact that no one makes concessions to you, that you have to serve in the army, that the demand for men from law enforcement agencies is completely different. That prisons, if anything happens, are also completely different for men than for women. And the conditions in these prisons are also different.
You also won’t like the atmosphere in any men’s group.

Women are actually very clever with this desire for equality. They actually want equality amid all the benefits they get from being a woman. And of course, no woman wants to lose this chance that every woman has - to find a prince while being a Cinderella. Or if not a prince, then at least a promising or wealthy one.
A man has almost zero such chances. And if anyone is honored, it is openly condemned by everyone and not welcomed.

Well, for a woman it is a normal thing to come from a remote village and marry almost a professor’s son. Personally, some distant niece of mine came from Saratov. And literally a little over a year later, she found herself a Muscovite, married him, gave birth to someone there, and everything was perfect for her. Specially for this purpose, I entered some kind of fence-building evening institute. There I took a closer look at the guys in the group, who is who, and quickly fooled someone.

Although in fact, everything started differently - her father brought her to me. My cousin. He asked me to teach him how to connect cases, to somehow train him on some topic so that later maybe he could work in a newspaper. Or in the press service somewhere. Or in general, anywhere in any place where you need to work with texts. But the only thing I managed to teach her was ten-finger blind typing. This is perhaps the only thing she succeeded in doing.

Everything else seemed too difficult to her and she apparently decided that fuck this equality. And she apparently decided to take advantage of her feminine capabilities given to her from birth. So it’s more reliable than studying there for no reason, no reason, and then looking for some kind of work somewhere. And then make some kind of career out of this job. Just like fighting with men for a warm place somewhere in the office.

[King Bird]

We started with something else: well, not so long ago, by historical standards, women began to be considered people.
In the Ukrainian language, a man is a man, and a woman is a woman. This is a topic for discussion, language reflects thinking).

Yes. There are similar semantic archaisms in other languages, I also mentioned them. I think there are some more. But this hardly reflects any radically different national characteristics of intergender relations. For example, the British or the Germans, I don’t think they are very different.

[etc]

But this hardly reflects any radically different national characteristics of intergender relations

Who knows, but language, in turn, can limit thinking and form attitudes.
It all started with the question, why have women been called whores for easy behavior for a long time, but there was a condescending attitude towards men? And this has survived to this day. Because a woman had a lower status than a man. And in some languages ​​there remains a trace of those relationships. I just don’t know where “a man is a person” came into Ukrainian? From Polish?

[Bully Carrie]

By the way, in many languages ​​"woman" is a derivative of the word "man". In addition to some Slavic, German. English - man/woman.

No, not like that. Woman comes from the Old German "wibam", and in Old English it became wif, meaning both woman and wife. That is, "wif" in itself meant "woman".
Then "man" was added to this word, meaning "man, person". The result is a modern woman. So....the ways of the language are very peculiar)) Here, for example, is one of the links.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife#:~ ... %20wife%22

[Bully Carrie]

why has it been since ancient times that women were called whores for easy behavior, but there was a condescending attitude towards men?

for a long time, since when? Please clarify. Because there was, for example, the Early Paleolithic, and there was matriarchy. And the primacy of men was consolidated with the advent of weapons made of hard metal, for example, spear tips. With them it was possible not only to hunt, but also to successfully kill neighboring tribes. And here, of course, you can’t help but remember your favorite testosterone)) And then off we go, and here modern religions made a special effort: Councils, for example, during the period of the formation of Christianity paid a lot of attention to this.

[etc]

for a long time, since when?

At least from what you described)

And then it went on and on, and here modern religions made a special effort: Councils, for example, during the period of the formation of Christianity paid a lot of attention to this

Further in There is no point in looking deep into time.

[Bully Carrie]

There is no point in looking further into the depths of time.

Why is there no point? These are people, they lived the same way, loved, gave birth and all that.

[Faker]

The primacy of men was consolidated with the advent of weapons made of hard metal, for example, spear tips. With them it was possible not only to hunt, but also to successfully kill neighboring tribes. And here, of course, you can’t help but remember your favorite testosterone)) And then it went on and on, and here modern religions made a special effort: Councils, for example, during the period of the formation of Christianity paid a lot of attention to this.

You described historical phenomena in great detail. What if you look not at the trees, but at the entire forest? Don’t you think that the test of time is the most serious test that exists. And this test showed that women are weaker than men, they cope worse with difficult situations. How do you think?

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and there was a matriarchy

There are no written sources, evidence, we judge from the interpretation of archaeological excavations. Perhaps it was not matriarchy, but the worship of the mother goddess.

[Bully Carrie]

What do you think?

I don’t think so. Bad or good, worse or better - these are subjective judgments. But what time really shows in different societies and civilization is that it is not the strongest and not the wisest who survive, but those who are in pairs survive. Men and women work together - this is definitely how they cope more successfully. Do you remember the legend about the siege of Weinsberg?

[etc]

Then "man" was added to this word, meaning "man, person

And in English man and man sound the same).

[Bully Carrie]

There are no written sources, evidence, we judge the interpretation of archaeological excavations. Perhaps it was not matriarchy, but the worship of the mother goddess.

as you know, there are written and material sources.

[etc]

this is what time really shows, in different societies and civilization - it is not the strongest and not the wisest who survive, but those who are in pairs survive

Only the relationship between the couple was always unequal.

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as you know, sources can be written and material

Material is always an interpretation.

[Faker]

Do you remember the legend about the siege of Weinsberg?

To be honest, I don’t remember this legend. However, I am an ardent opponent of being attached to some episodic events and drawing general conclusions based on them.

I can agree with you that a woman can harmoniously complement a man, but this also works in the opposite direction. In addition, a woman can be a stone that will pull a man to the bottom. Again, the rule is two-way. What is the conclusion? It is necessary to consider m and f separately, and not as a pair.

[Hair shirt]

Why argue here when everything is already clear and understandable to everyone - in this modern world, all the prerequisites for true equality of women and men have long been given. It’s just that women are in no hurry to pedal this whole matter.
You can easily, at the legislative level, equalize women and men in all rights and make them truly equal. And what is happening now is actually the same swing that, as always, has rolled back.

At first, in the 19th century, a woman was truly deprived of any rights. But now it’s the other way around - men have fewer of these same rights and only responsibilities. After all, it is possible to make women and men equal - to make both of them compulsory military service. Parental leave for men. Equal rights to children in divorce. And there are many, many more things that will truly make women equal. But they themselves will howl from such equality. And they themselves wouldn’t need it anyway.

They already like what they have. When there are a lot of preferences, when a woman is always right in all situations. When the woman herself has been accustomed since childhood to making allowances for herself. When men give up their place, they let them pass in line. But you never know in life situations when a woman simply knows by default that she will now be given an exception and only because she is a woman. If only a man had been like that, he would have gotten the fuck out of him.

So I think we’ll stop looking for some kind of linguistic roots here. It’s all bullshit, who is there and what is it called in what language. In modern European culture, women have long been in a privileged position. And the men are driven further and further into a corner. I think sooner or later the men will get tired of all this and the swing will roll back again and at least there will be true equality. And women themselves are unlikely to like it.

We will serve in the army together. And they will beat each other, regardless of gender. As this often happens with men in some controversial situation. And I always want to ask women who strive for equality - is this what you want!? Do you really want this?
Maybe it would really be useful for you to spend at least one day in the shoes of a man. Or better yet, a week. A month is even better. So, to drink up this shit to the fullest and never, ever fucking raise this issue of equality between men and women in this life.

Let everything be as it is.
It will be better for everyone. It’s more comfortable for women, but men are already used to what they have and it suits them. With reservations, of course, but still satisfied. For example, in my life I’ve already gotten used to living with the fact that I have to give in to the woman with whom I live. That I should take care of her and try to take on some responsibilities related to physical activity.
That I should also follow my own wishes less and pay more attention to the woman’s wishes. Because it’s calmer and more beneficial for the general climate in the family.

And many, many other small things where I have to shove my wishes deep into my ass if they go against the woman with whom I live. Someone will say that you can’t do this and that men need to defend their desires.
So what will be the outcome then? Constant fighting!? Will you constantly have to fight for something? Why then live with such a woman if she doesn’t like everything you do? Maybe it’s not too late to run away and find some more suitable roommate of the opposite sex?

[King Bird]

I just don’t know where “a man is a person” came from in Ukrainian? From Polish?

Apparently, yes. In Polish, "person" and "man" sound the same - Człowiek. But does this mean that the Polish language is worse than the Ukrainian language, or that Poland has a more disdainful attitude towards women than Ukraine? I seriously doubt it.

No, not like that. Woman comes from the Old Germanic "wibam", and in Old English it became wif, meaning both woman and wife.

Languages ​​evolve. In German, however, now "man" and "man" sound differently - Mensch and Mann. Woman - Frau. But there is still an interesting word left: “Weib” (sounds like “vibe” and for some reason is neuter), an analogue of the Russian word “baba”. Something even by ear seems close.

After all, you can make women and men equal - make both of them compulsory military service.

nThe example of Israel is not a trend? According to rumors, they plan to do something similar in Ukraine. And if the world continues to go crazy as it is now, it is quite possible that the same will happen in other countries.

[etc]

Apparently, yes. In Polish, "person" and "man" sound the same - Człowiek. But does this mean that the Polish language is worse than the Ukrainian language, or that Poland has a more disdainful attitude towards women than Ukraine? I seriously doubt it.

No one here seems to have assessed languages: worse is better?
I just remembered Ukrainian. I was surprised when I saw the name of the men’s store and this was back in ’91. As it turns out, this is also present in English, I didn’t study it. It was about why a woman of easy virtue is a whore, and a man is not a whore at all).

[King Bird]

It was about why a woman of easy virtue is a whore, and a man is not a whore at all).

So take almost any country, even with different traditions (religious, cultural), public opinion on this part will still be approximately the same. And, moreover, completely independent of the vocabulary and semantics of the language.

I was surprised when I saw the name of the men’s store and this was back in 91. As it turned out, this is also present in English, I did not study it.

And also in Spanish, French, Turkish...
And in general There are a lot of interesting and inexplicable phenomena in the world. They surprise some and even break the mold, while others know about them from an early age and treat them as normal and proper.

[Serg_A]

why is a woman of easy virtue a whore, and a man is not a whore at all

Because there is no one to stand up for a woman of easy virtue. If someone insulted someone’s wife, he could run into an angry, angry husband, and this could end badly for the insulter. But a whore or a whore, she is not protected by anyone, that’s why everyone and everyone is swearing at them, and these words have become abusive.

[Sorcerer]

Because a man by nature needs variety, and a woman is monogamous. It’s not for nothing that harems previously existed; a man’s diversity was more morally and fruitfully reflected in a positive way than if there was only one wife.

[King Bird]

why a woman of easy virtue is a whore, and a man is not a whore at all

Because there is no one to stand up for a woman of easy virtue. If someone insulted someone’s wife, he could run into an angry, angry husband, and this could end badly for the insulter. But a whore or a whore, she is not protected by anyone, that’s why everyone is talking about them, and these words have become abusive.

Look at things more broadly. In fact, the whole difference between us is that women give birth to children, and men scratch their turnips and wonder: is the child his or not? And since no one wants "feasted" children, therefore the attitude towards women who have several sexual partners was appropriate. Plus, in previous years they did not know how to treat sexually transmitted diseases, they only drove them inside. Plus the influence of churches and religions - the concept of "original sin" and other "charms". Therefore, the words denoting the essence of the phenomenon are truly abusive.

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Because a man by nature needs variety, and a woman is monogamous. It’s not for nothing that harems previously existed; a man’s diversity was more morally and fruitfully reflected in a positive way than if there was only one wife.

This is not so. A woman is not at all biologically monogamous. Yes, nature needs a man to provide biomaterial to as many females as possible. But nature, in turn, requires a woman to accept biomaterial from different males - in primitive societies this was the first way to avoid the degeneration of the tribe. Another thing is that with the development of social phenomena, such a manifestation of female nature began to be suppressed in every possible way, declared unacceptable and generally a sin. But it is impossible to completely suppress nature. The simplest example is a loving, faithful wife with an attentive and caring husband. After the birth of her first child, and as soon as she grows up a little, she often begins to experience depression, a reluctance to have sex with her husband (although it is already possible for health reasons), hysterics and scandals out of nowhere, which she herself cannot explain. But sex outside the family is unacceptable and even unthinkable for her.

Yes, and harems did not exist in all cultures and societies. In addition, only a very wealthy person or someone close to power structures could afford a harem.

[Serg_A]

women give birth to children, and men scratch their turnips and wonder: is the child his or not?

That’s why among Jews, nationality is considered by mother. Wise...

[career]

But nature also requires a woman to accept biomaterial from different males - in primitive societies this was the first way to avoid the degeneration of the tribe.

No, for the degeneration of the tribe, a woman did not give birth to everyone, for the degeneration of the tribe, they captured women from neighboring tribes, and the biological task of a woman is to select the best, most promising males, so women mate with the strongest, most promising, capable of feeding her and her offspring.
And that is why women do not have a desire for sex, as such, they have a desire to belong to a specific man, but this desire of a woman is called the desire for sex.

[◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊]

But nature also requires a woman to accept biomaterial from different males - in primitive societies this was the first way to avoid the degeneration of the tribe.

No, for the degeneration of the tribe, a woman did not give birth to everyone, for the degeneration of the tribe, women were captured from neighboring tribes, and the biological task of a woman is to select the best, most promising males, which is why women mate with the strongest, most promising, capable of feeding her and her offspring.
And that is why women do not have a desire for sex, as such, they have a desire to belong to a specific man, but this desire of a woman is called the desire for sex.

where from Have you gotten enough that women don’t want sex?.. if we don’t throw ourselves at every passerby on the street, that doesn’t mean we don’t want sex.

[career]

where did you get the idea that women don’t want sex?.. if we don’t throw ourselves at every passerby on the street, it doesn’t mean that we don’t have sex we want.

you answered your own question, we throw ourselves at everyone we meet - we want sex, you don’t throw yourself - you don’t want

[◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊]

where did you get the idea that women don’t want sex?.. if we don’t throw ourselves at every passerby on the street, that doesn’t mean that we don’t want sex.

you answered your own question, we rush at everyone we meet - we want sex, you don’t rush - you don’t want

ummm.. oh well

[Igor1989]

As I think. It depends what the date is for. If they just hook up, that’s fine. And if for a future relationship, I personally would be suspicious of the girl who gave me the first day.

[Serg_A]

As I think. It depends what the date is for. If they just hook up, that’s fine. And if for a future relationship, I personally would be suspicious of the girl who gave me the first day.

What would you suspect her of?

[Hair shirt]

The example of Israel is not a trend? According to rumors, they plan to do something similar in Ukraine. And if the world continues to go crazy, as it is now, it is quite possible that the same will happen in other countries.

Turn on the TV and look at this army in what she turned out to be an ass. I think they need to stop making faces and finally abolish this compulsory service for women. Because you need to fight and not shake your ass. Kneading mud on broken bricks with your tits while crawling is not very convenient. And in fact, they themselves were captured and did not protect the people.

I think if at that fest where the people were beaten so badly there would have been a platoon from Wagner, then I think there would have been different results. And perhaps they would even fight back for some time.

[Venus]

The example of Israel is not a trend? According to rumors, they plan to do something similar in Ukraine. And if the world continues to go crazy, as it is now, it is quite possible that the same will happen in other countries.

Turn on the TV and look at this army in what she turned out to be an ass. I think they need to stop making faces and finally abolish this compulsory service for women. Because you need to fight and not shake your ass. It’s not very convenient to knead mud on broken bricks with your tits while crawling.
I think if at that fest where people were beaten so badly there would have been a platoon from Wagner, then I think there would have been different results. And perhaps they would even have fought back for some time.

Israel has a strong Army, and your Wagner is a hyped-up nothing. People, of course, fought and died there, I feel sorry for them purely as a human being, although not all of them, but they were of no use. And it’s very good that they were dispersed and I really hope that their leader really went to the next world.

[Hair shirt]

Israel has a strong Army

If this were true, then all the fucked up stuff that happened wouldn’t have happened.

[Igor1989]

What about that topic? I can no longer understand🤔

[Venus]

Israel has a strong Army

If only it’s true if it had been like that, all the fucked up stuff that happened wouldn’t have happened.

The special services overslept. What does the army have to do with it?

[Xenophon]

It was about why a woman of easy virtue is a whore, and a man is not a whore at all).

Everyone somehow forgot about that that a woman gives birth to children. He’s a guy who fertilized him on the side. And a woman bears and gives birth. And only she knows from whom. A man must feed and water his offspring (let me just say this is less relevant now), but he wants to be sure that the offspring is his. Therefore, it is he who must be sure that his woman gave birth to him, and not to the one who simply slipped it. Hence the whore. If men gave birth, they would be whores.
And by the way, for those who like to glorify male strength and will. Have you tried giving birth? And give birth not in an Israeli clinic, but under a bush or in a dirty hut.
The main one is the one who not only continues the family, but the one who bears this family, releases it into the world and feeds it with his milk.
And We are men whores. And why this is better than a whore is personally unclear to me!

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Israel has a strong Army

If only it’s true if it were so then all that fucked up stuff that happened wouldn’t have happened would.

It was the special services that overslept. What does the army have to do with it?

Nobody overslept anything. It is impossible to hide such preparation. And the intelligence services reported and the Americans warned. It was a political decision not to react, so as not to provoke. The USSR went through this in its time. The calculation turned out to be incorrect. And the Israeli political leadership will answer for this.
Alas, all this is not about us. We are not Jews!

[Hair shirt]

It was the special services who overslept. What does the army have to do with it?

Most of those who serve in modern armies are not actually ready for what the army is actually needed for. That is, these people are not ready to fight in this army. They are ready to work in it for money, but in peacetime. The only thing they are ready for is some kind of restriction of their civil liberties and respect for subordination.
That is, to put it simply, they are ready to settle down and stick their tongues up their ass, but in exchange for a good salary and providing for their family if she there is.

But these people, as a rule, are not ready for war. Not ready both morally and professionally. Everything that was taught and prepared for is lost somewhere right away and the people in such an army turn into ordinary civilians. He also panics, also pisses himself off, and also immediately loses the will to resist.
Therefore, a more or less combat-ready army consists of very young people - from 18 to 30, no older. These people are purely male and all are single. And living somewhere locally in one place by one male group.

And this is the army. And it is precisely such an army that is capable of some kind of resistance and is capable of at least simply fighting off someone. I’m not even talking about any offensive actions. And everything else is no longer an army, but simply something of a compromise not designed for combat operations. Well, like the Bundeswehr soldiers who go to work every morning in their Volkswagen. And in the evening they return to the city to their wife and children.

[Venus]

It was the special services who overslept. What does the army have to do with it?

Most of those who serve in modern armies are not actually ready for what the army is actually needed for. That is, these people are not ready to fight in this army. They are ready to work in it for money, but in peacetime. The only thing they are ready for is some kind of restriction of their civil liberties and respect for subordination.
That is, to put it simply, they are ready to settle down and stick their tongues up their ass, but in exchange for a good salary and providing for their family if she there is.

But these people, as a rule, are not ready for war. Not ready both morally and professionally. Everything that was taught and prepared for is lost somewhere right away and the people in such an army turn into ordinary civilians. He also panics, also pisses himself off, and also immediately loses the will to resist.
Therefore, a more or less combat-ready army consists of very young people - from 18 to 30, no older. These people are purely male and all are single. And living somewhere locally in one place by one male group.

And this is the army. And it is precisely such an army that is capable of some kind of resistance and is capable of at least simply fighting off someone. I’m not even talking about any offensive actions. And everything else is no longer an army, but simply something of a compromise not designed for combat operations. Well, like the Bundeswehr soldiers who go to work every morning in their Volkswagen. And in the evening they return to the city to their wife and children.

The army should be small, professional and used only to protect the state.

[Pierro]

The army should be small, professional and used only to protect the state.

somehow you are without any options... the third message about the army, and very categorical statements ..

[Man Woman]

Sometimes it’s even very good

[Serg_A]

The example of Israel is not a trend? According to rumors, they plan to do something similar in Ukraine. And if the world continues to go crazy, as it is now, it is quite possible that the same will happen in other countries.

Turn on the TV and look at this army in what she turned out to be an ass. I think they need to stop making faces and finally abolish this compulsory service for women. Because you need to fight and not shake your ass. It’s not very convenient to knead mud on broken bricks with your tits while crawling.
I think if at that fest where people were beaten so badly there would have been a platoon from Wagner, then I think there would have been different results. And perhaps they would even have fought back for some time.

Israel has a strong Army, and your Wagner is a hyped-up nothing. People, of course, fought and died there, I feel sorry for them purely as a human being, although not all of them, but they were of no use. And it’s very good that they were dispersed and I really hope that their leader really went to the next world.

You, I see, have joined the general chorus. Commendable.

[Venus]

The army should be small, professional and used only to protect the state.

somehow you are unopposed.. the third message about the army, and very categorical statements..

And what am I wrong about?

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You, I see, have joined the general chorus. Commendable.

I didn’t join anyone.

[Pierro]

What am I wrong about?

I think that in everything..

[◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊]

And what about that topic? I can’t understand anymore

started about sex on the first date, we ended up with war and politics, as usual...

[Venus]

I think that in everything..

Explain your point of view on this issue in more detail.

[career]

The fact is that the army should be different in different periods of the state’s existence

The army should be small.

in Israel it’s just big, even women there rowing

The army should be professional

why not conscription or combined?

The army should only exist to protect the state.

sometimes the threat of attack is the best way to defend