Abstinence

[◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊]

Strange dispute. Neither food nor dominance are instincts. These are only consequences of the instinct of self-preservation.
What makes you think that these are instincts?

Consuming food is not a basic instinct?))
Dominance. Now that a group of males or females has formed, will they not compete with each other? Show off in front of each other?
Look how often on this forum people actually speak out not for the sake of truth or entertainment, but simply to state their great opinion.) You stand on your own, repeat the same thing, hold on to is what was said for the sake of the truth that you want to find or is your opinion more correct?) And if it turns out not? Will you feel humiliation?) What kind of mechanism is it that makes you strive for leadership, honor, fame, status, to be a criminal, to look better than others? Not instinct?
Isn’t there a simplification in your version that these three instincts are just a consequence of the instinct of self-preservation? These three are very complex, they are supported not so much by the “stick” as by the “carrots”.
It is possible that you do not want to take a different look at human nature, since previously they only talked about the instinct of self-preservation and deduced a lot from this.
If I am not mistaken, endogenous narcotic substances have become known not so long ago, since the nineties, and that they control our behavior. Are you not at all interested in a new look at the nature of our behavior?

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This is very harmful to the body

Are you sure you are not wishful thinking?))
More than once I heard drinkers talking about the benefits for blood vessels: "We need to clean it!"))

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Opioids? You’re confusing me with someone))
Of the consciousness-altering substances, only C2H5OH, and recently I’ve given up that too

I’m telling you about endogenous opioids)).
Or did you think that pleasure and good mood come from magic?))
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когда за мнение своё топят - это не лидерство и не доминантность это раздутое ЧСВ

[Womanslave]

I have heard more than once how people who like to drink

Comparison is not about anything at all.
Name the benefits of abstinence??? And the harm from satisfying sexual desire?

[Serg_A]

This is speculation)). Train your penis?)
These are not the same muscles as those on the arms and legs.)

Here we are not talking about the muscles of the penis, but about the work of men genitourinary system, prostate. An old urologist, a candidate of medical sciences, told me that if I haven’t had sex for a week, then I need to jerk off. You cannot marinate male potency for more than a week, the damage to the entire reproductive system is irreparable.

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I think so, everything is good in moderation. Both daily irrepressible jerking off and six-month abstinence are harmful. And the planetary energy praised by abstinents and the ability for mega-fucking after a long period of abstinence will pass quickly. I fucked a few times and that’s it. I checked in as a rapid-fire Mr. 2 minutes and be proud, I haven’t fucked for three years. Dubious goal.

Here we are not talking about the muscles of the penis, but about the work of the male genitourinary system, the prostate. An old urologist, a candidate of medical sciences, told me that if I haven’t had sex for a week, then I need to jerk off. You can’t marinate male potency for more than a week, the damage to the entire reproductive system is irreversible

and I have heard more than once from urologists that this is all nonsense.
No scientific studies confirm this. I remember that one urologist was asked this question, and he said that this is nonsense, there are a lot of examples, there were “Robinsons” who returned, got married and had children. I even talked about someone in detail.

As I already wrote here, I was a supporter of abstinence. That is, I had sex with women with pleasure, but even during sex I abstained and did not come. I liked it better, it releases more endorphins in my brain. I could abstain like this for up to three months. I was enjoying myself, and there was no masochism here. Not so long ago, after doing squats with a barbell, I felt that my panties were wet, it turned out that there was sperm in there, I went nuts, after a while it happened again, I went even more nuts. Soon I began to experience discomfort in my prostate. I went to the urologist. He determined that I had congestive prostatitis. And he prescribed treatment. He said that this is precisely because I abstain. Well, at least once a week you need to cum.

[Epidemic]

There was no voluntary abstinence; I solved forced abstinence by masturbation.

[Bully Carrie]

when people drown for their opinion -

Sometimes a banana is just a banana)) In the sense that it’s just to talk, not to scratch an emergency, but just to talk)

[Womanslave]

Well, at least once a week you need to cum.

I cum every day anyway. I can’t do it any other way unless I cum once a day. When you’re tired or sick, then maybe not. But the body decides for itself, and I simply fulfill its requests.

[The passage]

when people drown for their opinion -

Sometimes a banana is just a banana)) In the sense that it’s just to talk, not to scratch an emergency, but just to talk)

Golden words)))
Not everyone understands that there is just communication))) That a discussion is not an argument. The fact that if you do not put parentheses in your post or laughing emoticons, this does not mean at all that you are writing rudely. Some, like hedgehogs, are prickly. No matter what they ask, they immediately start fighting.

[◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊]

when people drown for their opinion -

Sometimes a banana is just a banana)) In the sense that it’s just to talk, not to scratch an emergency, but just to talk)

dialogue, yes. Now you and I are having an ordinary calm conversation, but when the opinion of some here is more correct than everyone else, and everyone else is stupid idiots, then this is an emergency.

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I have heard more than once how people who like to drink

Comparison is not about anything at all.
Name the benefits of abstinence??? And the harm from satisfying sexual desire?

Comparison is about nothing? Prove it! If there are no arguments in favor of your statement, then the example hits the bull’s eye.)
And why do you demand that I name the benefits of abstinence and the harm of satisfaction??? I didn’t say anything like that.))

[Womanslave]

Prove it!

I won’t even try, because it’s useless, as I understand it. To compare the second strongest instinct with alcohol addiction - sorry, but we have nothing further to talk about.

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Not so long ago, after doing squats with a barbell, I felt that my panties were wet, it turned out that there was sperm in there, I went nuts, after a while it happened again, I went even more nuts. Soon I began to experience discomfort in my prostate. I went to the urologist. He determined that I had congestive prostatitis. And he prescribed treatment. He said that this is precisely because I abstain. Well, at least once a week you need to cum.

You see how useful it is to squat))).
Listen, we have already discussed this. Urologists are still cadres).
Do you think only male humans have such problems? What needs to be drained all the time?)

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Compare the second strongest instinct with alcohol addiction - sorry, but we have nothing further to talk about.

I didn’t compare, I can use another analogy cite where we justify our hobbies and weaknesses.)
But you left your statement without evidence.})

[Womanslave]

Urologists are still cadres

And who then are not cadres in this matter, if not urologists?

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Urologists are still cadres

And who then are not cadres in this matter, if not urologists?

Listen, they are the same people, they go to work, earn money. How one urologist answered my doubts about nuclear treatment, after nothing was found that required treatment. - I’m treating you according to the protocol!
A friend went to a urologist with prostatitis, he sent him to take hormones, among other things, but the friend acted strangely, for a secondary appointment he went to another urologist, who looked at the test results and said: why You gave it away, I don’t need it! And he prescribed antibiotics. Recently he visited urologists again. But this is so, by the way, I remembered.)) Personnel. There are more stories.

[Serg_A]

You see how useful it is to squat))).
Listen, we have already discussed this. Urologists are still cadres).
Do you think only male humans have such problems? What constantly needs to be drained?)

Well first of all, I read a long time ago a book by an American urologist who described these congestive prostatitis, and that Catholic priests often turn to him with this matter (they are all monks), and he prescribes masturbation to them in parallel with treatment. I just thought that this would pass me by, because I constantly go to the gym, I also run, and besides, I still have all these PC muscles. It turns out that this makes everything a lot easier (he told me that it’s just great that I’m doing all this, otherwise he can’t force any of the patients to do anything), but it won’t help at all...
Secondly, the urologist drew me a detailed diagram of the prostate and showed me how inflammation occurs. And at the same time he was very convincing)))
And thirdly, really among them There are a lot of "personnel" who don’t give a fuck about anyone, and they work for the hell of it, and treatment from them is expensive and ineffective.

[Womanslave]

Personnel. There are also stories

This also happens. But abstinence has never brought anyone any good; don’t even go to a urologist here. If you can’t pull a woman, jerk off.

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I don’t understand why anyone needs to prove anything to the hilt. Everyone jerks off the way they want, and I jerk off the way I want.

PS One biker told me that riding at a red light at night is safe. Like all this is bullshit, all sorts of fears. They say he’s been doing this for five years now. He very convincingly proved how insignificant the likelihood of danger in the middle of the night on an empty road is. May he rest in heaven.

[Serg_A]

he sent him to take hormones, including

Well, and in vain he didn’t take them, this is just a good urologist, since he suspected he had hormonal imbalance. Your friend probably already has metabolic syndrome with the naked eye. And with a low hormonal background, prostatitis occurs more often and is more severe; adenoma and subsequently cancer occur much more often.

[Serg_A]

PS One biker told me that riding at night on a red light is safe

And the brakes were invented by cowards .

[Womanslave]

we justify our hobbies, weaknesses

This is not a hobby, and, moreover, not a weakness. This is a need of the body, the same as the need for oxygen, food and water. And there is no need to justify anything here either. You don’t make excuses for breathing, eating and drinking, do you? So why do you need to justify your body’s need for sex?

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Secondly, the urologist drew me a detailed diagram of the prostate and showed me how inflammation occurs. And at the same time he was very convincing))

They can be convincing, especially when they themselves are not boom-boom).
In their own protocols not on the list of reasons for abstinence. Then, there are plenty of examples where a man leads an active sexual lifestyle and suffers from prostatitis. No matter how much I read, no matter how much I was interested, there were no scientific conclusions, everything was unfounded. Moreover, this does not threaten anything. In your case, couldn’t there be a coincidence?

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But abstinence has never brought anyone any good, so don’t go to the urologist here.

Why? What will happen and where does the information come from?

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he sent him to take hormones, including

Well, it was in vain that he didn’t take them, he’s just a good urologist, since he suspected he had a hormonal imbalance. Your friend probably already has metabolic syndrome with the naked eye. And with a low hormonal background, prostatitis occurs more often and is more severe, an adenoma occurs much more often, and subsequently cancer.

He has been hooking up on HRT for a long time. He loves bench press, he is 56 and loves women.)
One of the reasons for prostatitis is a high level of SHBG. This happened to me. Gives up with hormones.

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we justify our hobbies, weaknesses

This is not a hobby, and, moreover, not a weakness. This is a need of the body, the same as the need for oxygen, food and water. And there is no need to justify anything here either. You don’t make excuses for breathing, eating and drinking, do you? So why do you need to justify the body’s need for sex?

Breathing is like a vegetative system (autonomous). It does not depend on your will. Of course sex is not food. You can live quietly without sex for at least a hundred years.) Children live without sex, but they cannot live without food.)

[The passage]

Abstinence is neither harmful nor beneficial. If there is no sex, then after a while you climb the wall. Your mood deteriorates, you start to look at men differently, but this all goes away if sex never happens. Of course, you remember sex and want to, but less and less often.
There will be no harm for men either. Men have wet dreams. It is harmful when physical activity is low or completely absent, and the fact that a man lifts weights will not save him from congestion in the pelvis. In general, those who move a lot, eat right, don’t get colds, but abstain – most likely will not have prostatitis. And, those who actively fap, but sit on their butt straight, will have prostatitis

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Marinka, the voice of common sense!). I’ve already started to lose hope.)))

[Serg_A]

They can be convincing, especially when you yourself are not boom-boom).
In their protocols, the reasons for abstinence are not listed. Then, there are plenty of examples where a man leads an active sexual lifestyle and suffers from prostatitis. No matter how much I read, no matter how much I was interested, there were no scientific conclusions, everything was unfounded. Moreover, this does not threaten anything. In your case, couldn’t there be a coincidence?

The result is important to me. Another urologist cured my wife’s long-term cystitis, which others had only treated. And he said the same thing about abstinence. This one also treated me, I’m happy with it so far.

[Serg_A]

There will be no harm for men either. Men have wet dreams. It is harmful when physical activity is low or absent altogether, and the fact that a man lifts weights will not save him from congestion in the pelvis

I didn’t have any wet dreams, under certain conditions with exercise they disappear. In addition to the gym, I also run 3-5 km a day.

Abstinence is neither harmful nor beneficial

I also cannot definitely answer here. As for me, it is both harmful and useful at the same time. Apparently it is still harmful for the prostate. And ejaculation is harmful for the immune system, and for the mood, I prefer sex without ejaculation. More endorphins are released in the brain.

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The result is important to me. Another urologist cured my wife’s long-term cystitis, which others had only treated. And he said the same thing about abstinence. This one also treated me, I’m satisfied so far.

The treatment was not limited to ejaculation?)

And ejaculation is harmful for the immune system, and for the mood, I think more I like sex without ejaculation.

Why is it harmful?)

[Serg_A]

The treatment was not limited to ejaculation?)

Pills, massages... And the number of ejaculations, these are simply recommendations...

[Serg_A]

Why is it harmful?)

I have a tendency to catch colds.(

[niqk]

vvm, my friend, you put the cart before the horse. Let’s figure it out. Why does a person eat?
So as not to die of hunger. Survive! Therefore, for self-preservation.
Why does a person participate in competition for dominance? Ultimately, to take a better social place in society, where there is more food and other benefits for survival! Therefore, for self-preservation.
But the work of instincts is often interfered with by our brains. Our mind. We can sacrifice important things for the sake of some unimportant things! Even if it can lead to dire consequences. So, with the desire to follow the fashion for a thin, slender figure, stupid girls drive themselves to anorexia. The obvious work of the mind against the life instinct...
And by the way, you are mistaken in attributing to me the desire to "state my high opinion." When they prove to me with serious arguments that I am wrong, I will not cling to my opinion just because it is mine. I admit my
mistake without any problems... So far there are no serious arguments on your part...

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Pills, massages... And the number of ejaculations, these are just recommendations

What pills?

[Serg_A]

Pills, massages... And the number of ejaculations, these are just recommendations

What pills?

Antibiotics, but you have to look at the condition. But they also need a massage, and he prescribed one person 10 times every other day, while I got by with 4 once a week.)

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vvm, my friend, you put the cart before the horse. Let’s figure it out. Why does a person eat?
So as not to die of hunger. Survive! Therefore, for self-preservation.
Why does a person participate in competition for dominance? Ultimately, to take a better social place in society, where there is more food and other benefits for survival! Therefore, for self-preservation.
But the work of instincts is often interfered with by our brains. Our mind. We can sacrifice important things for the sake of some unimportant things! Even if it can lead to dire consequences. So, with the desire to follow the fashion for a thin, slender figure, stupid girls drive themselves to anorexia. The obvious work of the mind against the life instinct...
And by the way, you are mistaken in attributing to me the desire to "state my high opinion." When they prove to me with serious arguments that I am wrong, I will not cling to my opinion just because it is mine. I admit my
mistake without any problems... So far there are no serious arguments on your part...

That is, as you see it , we eat and have sex for the sake of self-preservation and show off for the same? Doesn’t it bother you that it’s not human nature to think about death at all? It’s too reasonable.
Can you explain how the instinct of self-preservation pushes a person to have sex? Without reasonable logic, of course.

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Pills, massages... And the number of ejaculations, these are just recommendations

What pills?

Antibiotics, but you have to look at the condition. But they also need a massage, and he prescribed one 10 times every other day, and I got by with 4 once a week.)

Antibiotic and treated . You could have left the pills alone, the result would have been the same. Don’t agree?

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Why is it harmful?)

I have a tendency to catch colds.(

nDid you ejaculate often?

[Serg_A]

Antibiotic and treated. You could have left the pills alone, the result would have been the same. Do not agree?

I do not agree, I previously took a two-week course on my own, the relief was weak and short-lived. In addition, he visually feels the prostate, how the size and “appearance” change. Although this is the most unpleasant procedure, it was the first time I even lost consciousness.

[Serg_A]

Did you ejaculate often?

When every day, you constantly caught a cold. Therefore, even in my youth I began to give up ejaculation. And I felt great and had a blast.

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Antibiotic and treated. You could have left the pills alone, the result would have been the same. Do not agree?

I do not agree, I previously took a two-week course on my own, the relief was weak and short-lived. In addition, he visually feels the prostate, how the size and “appearance” change. Although this is the most unpleasant procedure, the first time I even lost consciousness.

There was supposed to be a new course of other antibiotics, but they didn’t work.

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Did you ejaculate often? n

When every day, I constantly caught a cold. Therefore, even in my youth I began to give up ejaculation. And I felt great and I was having a blast.

I noticed that if I partied, my overall mood steadily worsened

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When every day

Something I didn’t quite understand, once a day?

[niqk]

vvm, yes, my friend, we eat for so as not to die of hunger. And we have sex for the sake of
procreation. These are two DIFFERENT main instincts in a person’s life! But these are not the only needs!
And not the only instincts. A person has an orienting reflex, for example, which pushes him to be curious and explore his environment. Therefore, a person sticks his long nose everywhere: he
is interested in what is here? and what’s in there? what does it smell like? and how do these berries taste?.. And it is also human nature to strive for pleasure! Therefore, he strives to find something pleasant everywhere: in communication, in knowledge, in play, in work, etc... Moreover, everywhere a person looks for the meaning of events, phenomena, objects. Looks for ways to use them
for his own benefit. Moreover, he tries to explain to himself everything that he encounters in life... And he builds a rather complex hierarchy of instincts, needs, interests...
In principle, all this has been analyzed in some detail by psychology - read some good textbook psychology.
The same Nemov...

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vvm, yes, buddy, let’s eat we are in order not to die of hunger. And we have sex for the sake of
procreation. These are two DIFFERENT main instincts in a person’s life! But these are not the only needs!
And not the only instincts. A person has an orienting reflex, for example, which pushes him to be curious and explore his environment. Therefore, a person sticks his long nose everywhere: he
is interested in what is here? and what’s in there? what does it smell like? and how do these berries taste?.. And it is also human nature to strive for pleasure! Therefore, he strives to find something pleasant everywhere: in communication, in knowledge, in play, in work, etc... Moreover, everywhere a person looks for the meaning of events, phenomena, objects. Looks for ways to use them
for his own benefit. Moreover, he tries to explain to himself everything that he encounters in life... And he builds a rather complex hierarchy of instincts, needs, interests...
In principle, all this has been analyzed in some detail by psychology - read some good textbook psychology.
The same Nemov...

You didn’t understand my question? Describe the mechanism. Don’t try to figure it out, psychologists won’t help, they’ll only confuse your head. Here you need to see neurophysiologists, biologists.
There you will get an answer about curiosity, which brain system motivates you and with what carrot.

[niqk]

vvm, oh! Give me some gear too! It’s up to you to google it yourself and figure out how and what...
I hang out here to have fun, and not to educate anyone...

[Serg_A]

Something I didn’t quite understand, once a day?

vvm, what don’t you understand? I’ve been writing about this all day, and I wrote before too. I fucked a woman (if she needs a classic) for an hour without stopping, maybe two, until she stopped me herself, how many times did I need to cum? Maybe you will understand it yourself? And then I thought, what’s the point in “ending” this if it doesn’t bring me pleasure anyway, and my immunity is sagging...

[Serg_A]

There should have been a new course of other antibiotics, they didn’t work.

Well, you can now treat people yourself, it’s still simple, I took the reference book , and prescribed treatment.

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o! Give me some gear too! It’s up to you to google it yourself and figure out how and what...
I hang out here to have fun, and not to educate anyone...

Jumped?) And I said, I always admit if I’m wrong. Or is it not necessary to argue that you are right? Look for it yourself?

We have sex for procreation, we have such an instinct for self-preservation...)
And worms loosen the soil so that the grass grows better - they have such an instinct , grass protects the soil from drying out (instinct of self-preservation).

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Well, now you can treat people yourself, just take a reference book and prescribe treatment

That’s how doctors that’s how they work)))
A friend has a woman, she is the head of the infectious diseases department, she was hospitalized with Covid. She tells him, I’m treating you the way I think it’s best, not like everyone else. Everyone only according to the protocol, otherwise they will be sued.

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I fucked a woman (if she needs a classic) for an hour without stopping, maybe two, until she stopped me herself, how many times did I need to cum? Maybe you will understand it yourself? And then I thought, what’s the point in “ending” this if it doesn’t bring me pleasure anyway, and my immunity is drained..

I understand, experimented. Logically, it doesn’t matter. Receptors on the genitals directly stimulate the release of opioids. You finish, you don’t finish, you lose your balance. I tried this myself for a while, but I had more of a problem with my mood.
It kept getting worse...
Until I reduced the number of contacts.

[Serg_A]

I understand, I experimented. Logically, it doesn’t matter

For me, if I finished, I’m in a worse mood. But now it will be necessary, on the recommendation of a doctor.)

Receptors on the genitals directly stimulate the release of opioids.

If they really exist, then they on my tongue, not on my penis. When I satisfy a woman orally, it’s like a megadose of cocaine, for me.)))

Everyone only according to the protocol, otherwise they will sue

I am paid doctors I found it, first read the reviews, and then listened to some of them directly. They treat there, each in their own way)

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I found paid doctors, first I read the reviews, and then I listened to some of them directly. They treat there, each in their own way)

Rather, according to the clinic protocol. There are their own versions. And so they will be afraid to treat at their own peril and risk. Often they work for two clinics, one state-owned.

If they really exist, then they are on my tongue, not on my penis. When I satisfy a woman orally, it’s like a megadose of cocaine, for me.)))

If I’m not mistaken, cocaine, amphitamine binds to dopamine receptors. And this (if I’m not mistaken) is the pleasure of movement, music, communication, curiosity.)))
I think it’s not a matter of language, it’s more of a psychological excitement, to cling to the origins.)))

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When I finish, my mood is worse. But now it will be necessary, on the recommendation of a doctor.)

so once a week is not often. It won’t upset the balance.)

[Epidemic]

I practiced, but not for ideological reasons, but as an element of the game. About a month is the maximum period, without harm.

[Alex Bars]

I abstained only once in my life for about 11-12 days, I was on a business trip and decided not to jerk off, but upon arrival to try to leak the maximum into my friend, I returned to work and immediately went to her office, started fucking and now the climax was almost, but I was in a rubber band, well, if I don’t lie, I came much longer and in portions in a rubber band, that my friend and I were amazed at how much sperm there was, but honestly I’m no longer ready for such abstinence, an abundance of sperm can be caused in another way

[Watchman]

I am not there, but it is me.