In Japan, octopuses are treated with care and reverence. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, this animal (or who it is is not important), definitely has an original taste and is liked by the Japanese for the huge number of dishes that are prepared from it. Secondly, it is a symbol. No, not a symbol, but something more - a sign of life.
The Japanese definitely associate the octopus with eroticism and with the dark side of the human soul. We find erotic allusions in descriptions of octopuses everywhere - in art, literature, and everyday life since the 8th century AD. But this animal gained particular popularity in the Edo era (for those who don’t know, 1600-1868), when two distinctive “codes” emerged. The first concerns behavior in society. This code developed, like everything original, strange, depraved in Japan, in the Green Quarters, where in addition to prostitutes of all ages and genders, there were also geishas, actors, sumo wrestlers, netsuke carvers, artists and other “unreliable” characters. The Asakusa quarter deserves special gratitude for the occultation of the nation (despite the fact that it was not Green as such), but still the crowd there was cleaner than in Soho. The octopus is first encountered in legends and fairy tales about pearl divers - as if the death of a diver is nothing more than the machinations of an evil huge octopus monster. From this little thing, and also from squirming in baskets, crawling out and looking for holes around, from quite smart animals of the sea, the octopus turned into a sex symbol. To this day, the adult generation of Japanese (those over 50 are afraid to meet an octopus in some situations - not because it is scary, but because it is a Sign).
So, as we know, in Japan they had a very specific attitude to sexual activity of both sexes. Those. it was there and they didn’t hide it. But there was one small “but” - only men or women of a certain profession could demonstrate this activity publicly - prostitutes and courtesans. But geishas (not to be confused with the first two, because apart from flirting, it was difficult to achieve anything more from a geisha even in the 18th century) could not show this, which means that at some point in time, so as not to be confused with prostitutes and courtesans, they were obliged to avoid such an excellent mechanism in controlling men as flirting. The rest of the women were forced to remain silent altogether, and the public reacted with unequivocal censure to their bold actions in the manifestation of libido. But one resourceful geisha, whose name, as they say from mouth to mouth, was Naruhiko, while communicating with her dana (patron), with whom she was not averse to not only drinking sake, but also playing in bed, came up with a kind of conditioned signal. This signal was an octopus. We will skip the matter of the formation of this sign, moving directly to its finished form, picked up by resourceful residents of the capitals. So, geisha traditionally do not offer food to their clients - they offer drink. The maids offer food (this is due to several factors, but God bless them, that’s not what we’re talking about). And even more so, it was considered familiar and indecent to serve food to a man from chopsticks (Gods would be fine with this rule too, again, this is not what we’re talking about, although this is where the etiquette of men’s and women’s food, in particular sushi, came from). Naruhiko, a brave woman, agreed that when she served her dana an octopus, they could retire for a while until the owner of the otiya noticed them. Green neighborhoods fleetingly picked up this idea, and after them all the big and small cities of Japan. In fact, Naruhiko and her dana violated the strict laws of etiquette of the time with their behavior. And in the octopus business, etiquette has come to mean almost the opposite of what it used to mean. Firstly, when offering octopuses to one of the Japanese, you always run the risk of being misunderstood (of course, this depends on the specific upbringing and knowledge of the Japanese in question, although in my experience, even young boys and girls use this now) - if you are a man , then at best they will decide that you are offering to have a group sex, and at worst (for some) that you are a homosexual; if you are a woman, then do not be surprised if a man crawls under your skirt a couple of minutes after he chews his octopus. It so happens that a woman who wants sex with anyone must hand the man octopuses. The horror is that a man simply has to eat them, otherwise it will be an insult to the woman (something like: fuck you, you scary bitch), and people around you can beat you up for this, so don’t be surprised if this happens. And then, after he ate them, he will have to have sex (that is, it’s good if the girl is nice and pretty and Claudia Schiffer, but what if it’s “horror-horror”?!). But then the resourceful public of the neighborhoods came up with an idea: if a woman wants a man, she can serve him octopus on her chopsticks or in a plate with chopsticks and such a woman will not receive any condemnation. If a man wants a woman and is ready to have sex with her, he will eat octopuses from the woman’s hands (sticks) or with chopsticks that she offers to the man. If there is a refusal (no matter what the reasons), then the man takes the octopus in his hands and eats it with his hands. The woman bows and leaves, pretending that nothing happened. Those around, despite the fact that literally everyone knew the meaning of these actions, did not condemn the woman and treated this blatant proposal very calmly (if not approvingly).
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Примерно такое же значение имело и предложение осьминога мужчиной женщине (или даже мужчине, если это гомосексуалист), но вот если за прямое предложение заняться сексом можно было получить мечом в глаз, то здесь господин, получивший “непристойное предложение“ мог действовать так же как если бы ему предложила женщина и при этом никто не пострадал. Этикет обязвал женщину принять осьминога, но если в ответ она не посылала мужчине такого же, то это означало вежливый, но строгий отказ. Правда в наши дни все несколько проще, получив осьминога, женщине скорее предлагают поэкспериментировать, хотя встречаются еще и мастадонты, знающие что к чему в этом осьминожьем порно-этикете.
Но помимо такого съедобного символа, осьминог “отметился“ в качестве сексуального объекта в огромном количестве произведений искусства различных видов - нэцкэ, гравюры, ширмы, кимоно, различные предметы декоративно-прикладного искусства, фарфор и т.д. и т.п. Самые “темные“, самые развратные, “запрещенные“ цензурой альбомы Весенних картинок (сюнга, или проще говоря - порно), включали в себя обязательный секс с осьминогами. Все это облачалось в ту самую историю о ныряльщицах. Но помимо всего прочего, не только на картинках осьминоги становились сексуальными партнерами и партнершами, но и в жизни. В Японии существовали фаллоимитаторы и вагиноиммитаторы начиная с эпохи Кофун (а может и раньше, хотя свидетельства остались именно с этой эпохи) и в отличие от Европы, японцы никогда не прятали секса и не считали его предосудительным, греховным, а скорее приятным, естественным и правильным, независимо от того кто, с кем, как, когда и куда. Гравюры, рекламирующие куртизанок и проституток, возле которых стояли аквариумы с осьминогами (к примеру, Утамаро и его школа, Кунисада и его школа) говорили однозначно, что здесь предлагают не только банальный секс, но и развлечения высшего порядка. Тому было биологическое обоснование, так как осьминог, оказавшись на земле тут же старается найти влажную, теплую норку, а его способность пролезать в любые даже самые маленькие отверстия очень хорошо подходили для удовлетворения сексуальных желаний, но кроме того, они шли “на запах“ сородичей - т.е. туда, где до него уже был кто-то из осьминогов. Хирокаге в своей серии “Юмористические картины Эдо“ использует этот мотив на одном из листов, где из рассыпавшейся корзины с морепродуктами осьминог выползает прямиком к женщине под кимоно... Ну надеюсь, мне не надо объяснять, что так развеселило художника, а вместе с ним и всех зрителей. )
Символов осьминога, причастного к сексу я могу назвать с полсотни - тут и гомосексуальные связи, связи за деньги, извращения, символы убийства и насилия (ибо, как считал дедушка Фрейд, насилие и убийство - суть неудовлетворенность сексуальных желаний) и т.д. и т.п. И вот наступил двадцатый век и кинематограф пришел в Японию вместе с американцами, а вместе с ними осьминог стал восприниматься скорее как непонятное чудовище, чем сексуальный объект (ну не объяснишь же бака гайдзину, тупому американцу, что осьминогов можно не только есть, но и засовывать). На целых три десятилетия осьминог потерял свою публичную эротичность и стал всего лишь пугающим, вселяющим животный ужас монстром глубин, хотя в среде обычных людей, сохранялись довольно долго устоявшиеся символические значения этого животного. И я даже не буду рассказывать Вам о том, что делают юные школьницы, выбирая у подмигивающего продавца рыбы осьминога, с ним дома....
А вот теперь, после моего супер-краткого и супер-поверхностного рассказа, попробуйте посмотреть “Олдбой“ сначала и с другой позиции.
И посмотреть на Японию с другой позиции...
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[i][size=130]In Japan, octopuses are treated with care and reverence. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, this animal (or who it is is not important), definitely has an original taste and is liked by the Japanese for the huge number of dishes that are prepared from it. Secondly, it is a symbol. No, not a symbol, but something more - a sign of life.
The Japanese definitely associate the octopus with eroticism and with the dark side of the human soul. We find erotic allusions in descriptions of octopuses everywhere - in art, literature, and everyday life since the 8th century AD. But this animal gained particular popularity in the Edo era (for those who don’t know, 1600-1868), when two distinctive “codes” emerged. The first concerns behavior in society. This code developed, like everything original, strange, depraved in Japan, in the Green Quarters, where in addition to prostitutes of all ages and genders, there were also geishas, actors, sumo wrestlers, netsuke carvers, artists and other “unreliable” characters. The Asakusa quarter deserves special gratitude for the occultation of the nation (despite the fact that it was not Green as such), but still the crowd there was cleaner than in Soho. The octopus is first encountered in legends and fairy tales about pearl divers - as if the death of a diver is nothing more than the machinations of an evil huge octopus monster. From this little thing, and also from squirming in baskets, crawling out and looking for holes around, from quite smart animals of the sea, the octopus turned into a sex symbol. To this day, the adult generation of Japanese (those over 50 are afraid to meet an octopus in some situations - not because it is scary, but because it is a Sign). So, as we know, in Japan they had a very specific attitude to sexual activity of both sexes. Those. it was there and they didn’t hide it. But there was one small “but” - only men or women of a certain profession could demonstrate this activity publicly - [url=viewtopic.php?t=216] prostitutes[/url] and courtesans. But geishas (not to be confused with the first two, because apart from flirting, it was difficult to achieve anything more from a geisha even in the 18th century) could not show this, which means that at some point in time, so as not to be confused with prostitutes and courtesans, they were obliged to avoid such an excellent mechanism in controlling men as flirting. The rest of the women were forced to remain silent altogether, and the public reacted with unequivocal censure to their bold actions in the manifestation of libido. But one resourceful geisha, whose name, as they say from mouth to mouth, was Naruhiko, while communicating with her dana (patron), with whom she was not averse to not only drinking sake, but also playing in bed, came up with a kind of conditioned signal. This signal was an octopus. We will skip the matter of the formation of this sign, moving directly to its finished form, picked up by resourceful residents of the capitals. So, geisha traditionally do not offer food to their clients - they offer drink. The maids offer food (this is due to several factors, but God bless them, that’s not what we’re talking about). And even more so, it was considered familiar and indecent to serve food to a man from chopsticks (Gods would be fine with this rule too, again, this is not what we’re talking about, although this is where the etiquette of men’s and women’s food, in particular sushi, came from). Naruhiko, a brave woman, agreed that when she served her dana an octopus, they could retire for a while until the owner of the otiya noticed them. Green neighborhoods fleetingly picked up this idea, and after them all the big and small cities of Japan. In fact, Naruhiko and her dana violated the strict laws of etiquette of the time with their behavior. And in the octopus business, etiquette has come to mean almost the opposite of what it used to mean. Firstly, when offering octopuses to one of the Japanese, you always run the risk of being misunderstood (of course, this depends on the specific upbringing and knowledge of the Japanese in question, although in my experience, even young boys and girls use this now) - if you are a man , then at best they will decide that you are offering to have a group sex, and at worst (for some) that you are a homosexual; if you are a woman, then do not be surprised if a man crawls under your skirt a couple of minutes after he chews his octopus. It so happens that a woman who wants sex with anyone must hand the man octopuses. The horror is that a man simply has to eat them, otherwise it will be an insult to the woman (something like: fuck you, you scary bitch), and people around you can beat you up for this, so don’t be surprised if this happens. And then, after he ate them, he will have to have sex (that is, it’s good if the girl is nice and pretty and Claudia Schiffer, but what if it’s “horror-horror”?!). But then the resourceful public of the neighborhoods came up with an idea: if a woman wants a man, she can serve him octopus on her chopsticks or in a plate with chopsticks and such a woman will not receive any condemnation. If a man wants a woman and is ready to have sex with her, he will eat octopuses from the woman’s hands (sticks) or with chopsticks that she offers to the man. If there is a refusal (no matter what the reasons), then the man takes the octopus in his hands and eats it with his hands. The woman bows and leaves, pretending that nothing happened. Those around, despite the fact that literally everyone knew the meaning of these actions, did not condemn the woman and treated this blatant proposal very calmly (if not approvingly). [/size] [url=https://postimages.org/] [img]https://i.postimg.cc/0QNGndTV/1296836992-japan-sex.gif[/img][/url] [size=130] Примерно такое же значение имело и предложение осьминога мужчиной женщине (или даже мужчине, если это гомосексуалист), но вот если за прямое предложение заняться сексом можно было получить мечом в глаз, то здесь господин, получивший “непристойное предложение“ мог действовать так же как если бы ему предложила женщина и при этом никто не пострадал. Этикет обязвал женщину принять осьминога, но если в ответ она не посылала мужчине такого же, то это означало вежливый, но строгий отказ. Правда в наши дни все несколько проще, получив осьминога, женщине скорее предлагают поэкспериментировать, хотя встречаются еще и мастадонты, знающие что к чему в этом осьминожьем порно-этикете. [/size] [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/CMz97WVp/1296836993-japan-sex2.gif[/img][/url]
[size=130]Но помимо такого съедобного символа, осьминог “отметился“ в качестве сексуального объекта в огромном количестве произведений искусства различных видов - нэцкэ, гравюры, ширмы, кимоно, различные предметы декоративно-прикладного искусства, фарфор и т.д. и т.п. Самые “темные“, самые развратные, “запрещенные“ цензурой альбомы Весенних картинок (сюнга, или проще говоря - порно), включали в себя обязательный секс с осьминогами. Все это облачалось в ту самую историю о ныряльщицах. Но помимо всего прочего, не только на картинках осьминоги становились сексуальными партнерами и партнершами, но и в жизни. В Японии существовали фаллоимитаторы и вагиноиммитаторы начиная с эпохи Кофун (а может и раньше, хотя свидетельства остались именно с этой эпохи) и в отличие от Европы, японцы никогда не прятали секса и не считали его предосудительным, греховным, а скорее приятным, естественным и правильным, независимо от того кто, с кем, как, когда и куда. Гравюры, рекламирующие куртизанок и проституток, возле которых стояли аквариумы с осьминогами (к примеру, Утамаро и его школа, Кунисада и его школа) говорили однозначно, что здесь предлагают не только банальный секс, но и развлечения высшего порядка. Тому было биологическое обоснование, так как осьминог, оказавшись на земле тут же старается найти влажную, теплую норку, а его способность пролезать в любые даже самые маленькие отверстия очень хорошо подходили для удовлетворения сексуальных желаний, но кроме того, они шли “на запах“ сородичей - т.е. туда, где до него уже был кто-то из осьминогов. Хирокаге в своей серии “Юмористические картины Эдо“ использует этот мотив на одном из листов, где из рассыпавшейся корзины с морепродуктами осьминог выползает прямиком к женщине под кимоно... Ну надеюсь, мне не надо объяснять, что так развеселило художника, а вместе с ним и всех зрителей. ;-)) Символов осьминога, причастного к сексу я могу назвать с полсотни - тут и гомосексуальные связи, связи за деньги, извращения, символы убийства и насилия (ибо, как считал дедушка Фрейд, насилие и убийство - суть неудовлетворенность сексуальных желаний) и т.д. и т.п. И вот наступил двадцатый век и кинематограф пришел в Японию вместе с американцами, а вместе с ними осьминог стал восприниматься скорее как непонятное чудовище, чем сексуальный объект (ну не объяснишь же бака гайдзину, тупому американцу, что осьминогов можно не только есть, но и засовывать). На целых три десятилетия осьминог потерял свою публичную эротичность и стал всего лишь пугающим, вселяющим животный ужас монстром глубин, хотя в среде обычных людей, сохранялись довольно долго устоявшиеся символические значения этого животного. И я даже не буду рассказывать Вам о том, что делают юные школьницы, выбирая у подмигивающего продавца рыбы осьминога, с ним дома.... А вот теперь, после моего супер-краткого и супер-поверхностного рассказа, попробуйте посмотреть “Олдбой“ сначала и с другой позиции. И посмотреть на Японию с другой позиции...[/size][/i] взято от сюда: [spoiler]https://inferot.net/article/funny-sex/681-yaponskiy-osminog-kak-simvol-lyubvi.html[/spoiler]
Wolffr, thank you for the interesting story about octopuses) We are on we invite you for tea, and they offer octopuses) Cool and very interesting - is it true that an octopus can get between your legs?))) It would be very interesting to try)))
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[ref=#bf0000]Wolffr[/ref], thank you for the interesting story about octopuses) We are on we invite you for tea, and they offer octopuses) Cool and very interesting - is it true that an octopus can get between your legs?))) It would be very interesting to try)))
Marinka, I remembered that you once said about octopus, and then I came across this story and published it. Especially for you, and others will also be interested in reading it.
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[ref=#bf0000]Marinka[/ref], I remembered that you once said about octopus, and then I came across this story and published it. Especially for you, and others will also be interested in reading it.
The Japanese are smart, and they probably tried it with octopuses. Nothing just happens like that. Unfortunately, we don’t have them in the Volga, otherwise I would try. Based on the theme of the story, it reminds me of (eight legs?) eight naked men, which is really something to try. You shouldn’t go to Japan.
The Japanese are smart, and they probably tried it with octopuses. Nothing just happens like that. Unfortunately, we don’t have them in the Volga, otherwise I would try. Based on the theme of the story, it reminds me of (eight legs?) eight naked men, which is really something to try. You shouldn’t go to Japan.
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The Japanese are smart, and they probably tried it with octopuses. Nothing just happens like that. Unfortunately, we don’t have them in the Volga, otherwise I would try. Based on the theme of the story, it reminds me of (eight legs?) eight naked men, which is really something to try. You can’t go to Japan.
one needs to satisfy a woman for eight people, and not for eight men!
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[quote=Merit post_id=185191 time=1680165195 user_id=17680] The Japanese are smart, and they probably tried it with octopuses. Nothing just happens like that. Unfortunately, we don’t have them in the Volga, otherwise I would try. Based on the theme of the story, it reminds me of (eight legs?) eight naked men, which is really something to try. You can’t go to Japan. [/quote] one needs to satisfy a woman for eight people, and not for eight men!
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