Should a man be able to work with his hands, drive a car, etc.?

[in Peru]

Girls, are men required to have such skills as fixing everything around the house, making repairs, driving a car? Or is it possible to do without these qualities in the modern world?

[Izumi]

Nope, not required. just like for a girl to know how to cook.

[Lisa24]

It’s nice, of course, when your man knows how to do a lot, but it’s not at all necessary. And if necessary, you can learn everything))
current realities allow you to hire those who know how. Market relations are the same. consumerism

[fuck]

Well, if a girl demands that a man work, drive and tinker, then the opposite should also demand cooking, cleaning

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Some people demand and don’t give anything in return

[|_rarely_|]

Yes, the question is ambiguous. If she can and does everything, but a man can’t do anything, there is room for poking him with a stick - so I can do everything, I’m the hostess, and you’re an armless cormorant.
I think you still need to be able to do something. It’s even humiliating to be a complete hands-on. This also applies to women.

[Didudo]

I think a man should be able to work with his hands, it’s a good skill.

[career]

If a man has not learned to work with his hands, then he will not be able to work with his head.

And manipulation of the female body is one of the varieties of working with hands

[Bully Carrie]

Completely optional. It’s nice when a man can provide and organize all this, no matter how. I don’t necessarily need a driver, a carpenter or an electrician. I need a reliable caring man. And his skills are a pleasant, but optional bonus)

[Bully Carrie]

Being a complete hands-off is even humiliating. This also applies to women.

How is that? Are we going to throw those who don’t know how to sew or fix wiring off a cliff?))

[The passage]

The topic is reminiscent of topics about size or earnings. When they ask, does size matter?, and if you write that it does, then resentment ensues. Or they ask, should a man earn good money? You write what you owe and again offend.
Well, what should I write here so as not to offend our strong, but so vulnerable sex?
A man doesn’t owe anyone anything, will that work?))))
but... I wish he could do it.

[triangle]

We will throw off a cliff those who do not know how to sew and fix wiring?))

We will not throw off the cliff, but we will remember that a family of two handymen needs 2-3 times more money than a family of two craftsmen. Tested by personal experience.

[Bully Carrie]

triangle, And the family of doctors needs less money for treatment. And the dentist’s family... continue?)

[|_rarely_|]

Being a complete hands-off is even humiliating. This also applies to women.

How is that? Are we going to throw off a cliff those who don’t know how to sew and fix wiring?))

What immediately off a cliff? Enough from the bed

[Bully Carrie]

is there enough bed

For a rug by the bed?

[triangle]

family of doctors needs less money for treatment.

The basics of medicine, including preventive medicine, should be taught in school! This is especially clearly seen in American culture, where this is very bad.

[Bully Carrie]

This is especially clearly visible in American culture, where this is very bad.

I wonder if we can discuss at least one topic without scolding America? Why did she give in to you like that?
Basics of medicine and professional medical care are still different things. Do you also treat your own teeth? ))

[triangle]

I wonder if we can discuss at least one topic without cursing America? Why did she give in to you like that?

I lived in America for quite a long time, and unlike most of those present here, I speak from personal experience. By the way, among my countries of residence, I would put the USA in second to last place. Russia - for the latter.

Basics of medicine and professional medical care are still different things. Do you also treat your own teeth? ))

Almost. My dentist is located 300 km from me and it is not always possible to travel often. Therefore, when installing a bridge for me for a trial period, he gave me two small tubes of zinc-eugenol cement and said: if it falls off, clean it and put it in place. Which is what I did. Another month later I came to him and he installed the bridge permanently.
Another time I managed to independently cure the early stage of periodontitis with three-day lotions of eucalyptus oil on the gums (it penetrates the mucous membrane and is a very powerful antiseptic).

[Let’s]

A man should be able to do basic things. He’s a man.)) and the fact that this at least saves the family budget, I agree with triangle
We have friends whose hands, one might say, are only good at driving a car. And accordingly, he pays everyone and everything for every small reason that he could have done himself.. But if they are satisfied, it’s their business. I personally would be ashamed if I couldn’t drill a hole, hang a TV, change a faucet, or connect a washing machine with a dishwasher

[Bully Carrie]

triangle, This is understandable. Was the bridge made by a technician? ))

[triangle]

Did the technician make the bridge?

Well, yes
But in general, my approach to life is expressed by Robert Heinlein:
"A person should be able to change diapers, plan an invasion, skin a pig, command a ship, design buildings, write sonnets, keep accounts, build walls, plaster fractures, console dying, follow orders, give orders, act in a team, act alone, solve equations, analyze unfamiliar problems, spread manure, program, cook deliciously, fight skillfully and die with dignity." Specialization is the lot of insects."

[The passage]

Did the technician make the bridge?

Well, yes
But in general, my approach to life is expressed by Robert Heinlein:
"A person should be able to change diapers, plan an invasion, skin a pig, command a ship, design buildings, write sonnets, keep accounts, build walls, plaster fractures, comfort the dying, follow orders, give orders, act in a team, act alone, solve equations, analyze unfamiliar problems, spread manure, program, cook deliciously, fight skillfully and die with dignity." Specialization is the lot of insects."

If you can do all this, then of course it is commendable. But I don’t agree with this saying. I believe that if a person can do everything, then in fact he can do nothing. Of course, you need to know basic things and have basic skills in maintaining yourself, your loved ones, your home, your car, but for the rest it is better to trust the professionals.

[Himi]

For example, I do almost everything around the house. I can fix a TV, even a washing machine, service an air conditioner, do home renovations (tiles, lay laminate flooring, etc.), I cook well, I can clean and wash houses better than my wife, I fix my car myself, etc., etc. P. Does this make the wife happy? No. I believe that women want financial stability and a strong man nearby, and you can always find someone who will do the housework for you

[triangle]

I believe that if a person can do everything, then in fact he can do nothing. Of course, you need to know basic things and have basic skills in maintaining yourself, your loved ones, your home, your car, but for the rest it is better to trust the professionals.

Some people are ready for anything There are really a lot of amateurs, but there are also professionals in many fields at once. In addition, "professional" is a loose concept, especially lately. Unfortunately, I have repeatedly had to deal with mechanics who know the car worse than I do, even though I am not a certified auto mechanic; doctors who know medicine worse than me, even though I’m not a doctor; IT specialists who understand software problems worse than me, although they received education in this area, and I did not. And so on.

[Serg_A]

By the way, among my countries of residence, I would put the USA in second to last place. Russia - last.

In what rating?

[triangle]

In what rating?

In the rating of my personal desire to live there, of course.

[Shalun70]

nope, not required. just like for a girl to know how to cook.

Great answer! Applause in the studio!

[Serg_A]

In what rating?

In the rating of my personal desire to live there, of course.

What comes first, then?

[Womanslave]

In this life, from birth, no one owes anyone anything. You can easily do without these skills if you have a certain income. After all, there will always be those who will do all of the above for money.

[triangle]

And what comes first, then?

Wait and see, the search for the ideal is not yet completed, but in general, as I already mentioned in another topic, I prefer countries with low stress and low hypocrisy, like Denmark, Iceland, Czech Republic, Italy (northern part), Spain, New Zealand, Uruguay...

[Alexander70]

A real man must be able to work with both his hands and his head. Well, also with a penis and tongue (if we are talking about sex).

[ExcisioN]

This topic is partly about education. Depends on the parents. My parents taught me to do everything myself, with my own hands. My father gave me all the skills necessary for independent living.

[Izumi]

Shalun70,

[The passage]

I believe that if a person can do everything, then in fact he can do nothing. Of course, you need to know basic things and have basic skills in maintaining yourself, your loved ones, your home, your car, but for the rest it is better to trust the professionals.

Some people are ready for anything There are really a lot of amateurs, but there are also professionals in many fields at once. In addition, "professional" is a loose concept, especially lately. Unfortunately, I have repeatedly had to deal with mechanics who know the car worse than I do, even though I am not a certified auto mechanic; doctors who know medicine worse than me, even though I’m not a doctor; IT specialists who understand software problems worse than me, although they received education in this area, and I did not. And so on.

And how do you know and know all this? I am especially interested in medicine. How do you know medicine?

[niqk]

I don’t know, I don’t know... In my opinion, there should be no coercion - this is the main thing. And people
must want to do it - this is also the main thing. And spouses should be able to solve everyday problems - this is again the main thing.
And if they do something on their own or invite outside specialists - it’s a matter of cost...

[in Peru]

I have repeatedly had to deal with mechanics who know the car worse than me, even though I am not a certified auto mechanic; doctors who know medicine worse than me, even though I’m not a doctor; IT specialists who understand software problems worse than me, although they received education in this area, and I did not. And so on.

How did you determine that you understand these disciplines better than them?

[niqk]

Perun, it’s easy! I drooled on my finger, raised it to the ceiling - and it was done!

[triangle]

And how do you know and know all this? I am especially interested in medicine. How do you know medicine?

In my school days, I considered medicine as a possible profession and regularly borrowed books from the library of my uncle, who taught pathophysiology in medical school, and in my student years, While doing mountaineering, I took lifeguard courses, where we were taught by comrades like a retired first responder, an operating surgeon from an emergency hospital, a rural doctor from a remote corner of Western Siberia (1 doctor per 150 km, everything from frostbite to obstetrics), etc. and taught significantly more than was formally required. Plus all sorts of interesting episodes of later life in different parts of the globe. Plus self-education in several languages.

How did you determine that you understand these disciplines better than them?

If you are a car mechanic at first he can’t get the engine to start and I have to show him how to do it, and then he tries to convince me that my gearbox is not the type that actually is, and I have to rub his nose in it so that he believes - this not a very good mechanic.
If a neurologist considers alcohol an acceptable means of treating depression due to chronic fatigue, then I would venture to assume that he does not know much about pharmacology and toxicology.
If I contact specialists support of my email provider to sort out the problem with two-hour delays in mail delivery, and after an hour-long conference call I explain to them exactly where their problem is - well, you understand.

[in Peru]

If a neurologist considers alcohol an acceptable treatment for depression due to chronic fatigue, then I would venture to suggest that he does not know much about pharmacology and toxicology.

Of course, there are questions for the neurologist if he gave advice to drink, but to assume that you know medicine in general better than he does is strong

[RazVratnik]

Is a man distinguished by what he can or cannot do?)
I think that a man, if necessary, will learn or find a way to do what he needs, by any means. If this is something specialized, then he will earn money and find someone who will do it efficiently and professionally)
After all, everyone has to do their job)
For example, no one knew me in childhood and adolescence I didn’t teach repairs or plumbing.
When I bought an apartment, I learned how to plaster and glue wallpaper, change sockets and lay laminate. Naturally, laying tiles requires good skills and I hired a professional...
I hope I answered the question)

[The passage]

If a neurologist considers alcohol an acceptable treatment for depression due to chronic fatigue,

Very interesting. Can you tell us more? Have you been diagnosed with clinical depression? Are you suicidal? The neurologist did not give you a referral for a consultation with a psychiatrist? Tell us in more detail why you had chronic fatigue, what complaints you had, and it’s also interesting about alcohol. Did he prescribe alcohol treatment for you?
Or did you have asthenic depression?
I had a lot of questions.

[triangle]

Very interesting. Can you tell me more?

What the hell is suicide, what clinical depression... It’s just that several months of intense brain work for 70-80 hours a week and chronic lack of sleep caused general dullness, the manner of looking with a heavy gaze into infinity through the interlocutor and freezing in the middle of a sentence, and an urgent request from one of the relatives to go to the doctor. Later, I found out that this condition can be corrected in a couple of weeks with over-the-counter St. John’s wort, and then I went to the doctor and honestly said that although I had the situation under control, it was pretty bad. He answered: “Drink some vodka.” Remembering my deadlines and my father’s relatively recent death from alcoholic pancreatitis at that time, I said that this option did not suit me and left. Then the project ended and everything gradually returned to normal.
P.S. Since we are on a sex forum: curiously, libido did not disappear during that period, but was quite off the charts.

[The passage]

Very interesting. Can you tell me more?

What the hell is suicide, what clinical depression... It’s just that several months of intense brain work for 70-80 hours a week and chronic lack of sleep caused general dullness, a manner of looking into infinity through the interlocutor and an urgent request from one of the relatives to go to the doctor. Later, I found out that this condition can be corrected in a couple of weeks with over-the-counter St. John’s wort, and then I went to the doctor and honestly said that although I had the situation under control, it was pretty bad. He answered: “Drink some vodka.” Remembering my father’s relatively recent death from alcoholic pancreatitis at that time, I said that this option did not suit me and left. Then the project ended and everything gradually returned to normal.
P.S. Since we are on a sex forum: curiously, libido did not disappear during that period, but was quite off the charts.

Very interesting. Can you tell me more?

What the hell is suicide, what clinical depression... It’s just that several months of intense brain work for 70-80 hours a week and chronic lack of sleep caused general dullness, a manner of looking into infinity through the interlocutor and an urgent request from one of the relatives to go to the doctor. Later, I found out that this condition can be corrected in a couple of weeks with over-the-counter St. John’s wort, and then I went to the doctor and honestly said that although I had the situation under control, it was pretty bad. He answered: “Drink some vodka.” Remembering my father’s relatively recent death from alcoholic pancreatitis at that time, I said that this option did not suit me and left. Then the project ended and everything gradually returned to normal.
P.S. Since we are on a sex forum: curiously, libido did not disappear during that period, but was quite off the charts.

You were not depressed. You were simply tired. I don’t know why the doctor advised you to drink vodka?! Perhaps it was just a bad joke.

[Keep the change for yourself]

Girls, are men required to have such skills as fixing everything around the house, making repairs, driving a car? Or is it possible to do without these qualities in the modern world?

Well, of course, I would paint here from my bell tower, but the ass-handed ones will come running, and even under fake accounts, so I’ll be brief - a man must have brains, IMHO, and if this option is there, he will figure out how and what.

[triangle]

You were not depressed. You had banal fatigue.

Purely formally this fell under F32.0 (insomnia + anhedonia + feeling of "bloated"), but I quite agree with your interpretation.