Ideal marriage and ideal sex within marriage

[Venus]

Nothing in life is perfect. Unfortunately, well, what if you are lucky?))) What kind of marriage do you think would be ideal and, of course, what kind of sex should there be in this ideal marriage?

[Andrew495]

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There is nothing perfect in life. Unfortunately, well, what if you are lucky?))) What kind of marriage do you think would be ideal and, of course, what kind of sex should there be in this ideal marriage?

n There is no such thing as ideal. Passionate women, ideal in pastels, as a rule, are not at all suitable for marriage.

[Shy Baby]

...Let me start with the fact that I cannot be objective. Everyone has their own understanding, their own concept of ideality. And yet, I can say that I am lucky: I have an ideal husband. Ideal in the sense that we are perfect for each other. Love, care, attention, tenderness... - this is all mutual for more than 13 years. Our temperament is almost perfect. We have never argued or quarreled before.
In sex...There is a slight difference in demands. My husband needs more sex from me than I need from him. But this does not lead to any misunderstandings.

[Gaelic]

There is nothing ideal in life. Unfortunately, well, what if you are lucky?))) What kind of marriage do you think would be ideal and, of course, what kind of sex should there be in this ideal marriage?

nIt seems to me that there is no such thing as “ideal sex.” Well... It’s not that it’s not, it’s just that “ideal” is an attempt to fit it to a certain standard. Sex should be vibrant. Various. Liberated. Personifying the most secret desires of partners. And probably taking into account these desires and taboos. And not: "I won’t lick until there is anal".... Well... If you try to associate sex with the definition of "Ideal"... Probably for This is what partners should ideally... Feel each other first.) But what is your concept of "ideal marriage"?))))

[◊_NeBo[_Na_]LaDoNi_◊]

...I’ll start with the fact that I cannot be objective. Everyone has their own understanding, their own concept of ideality. And yet, I can say that I am lucky: I have an ideal husband. Ideal in the sense that we are perfect for each other. Love, care, attention, tenderness... - this is all mutual for more than 13 years. Our temperament is almost perfect. We have never argued or quarreled before.
In sex...There is a slight difference in demands. My husband needs more sex from me than I need from him. But this does not lead to any misunderstandings.

what are you looking for on the forum?.. don’t be offended, I’m really interested.. what are people looking for in such places In my personal life, everything worked out.

[Venus]

Nothing is perfect in life. Unfortunately, well, what if you are lucky?))) What kind of marriage do you think would be ideal and, of course, what kind of sex should there be in this ideal marriage?

nIt seems to me that there is no such thing as “ideal sex.” Well... It’s not that it’s not, it’s just that “ideal” is an attempt to fit it to a certain standard. Sex should be vibrant. Various. Liberated. Personifying the most secret desires of partners. And probably taking into account these desires and taboos. And not: "I won’t lick until there is anal".... Well... If you try to associate sex with the definition of "Ideal"... Probably for This is what partners should ideally... Feel each other for a start.) But what is your concept of "ideal marriage"?))))

For me, the ideal is mutual understanding and mutual respect.

[Gaelic]

Nothing is perfect in life. Unfortunately, well, what if you are lucky?))) What kind of marriage do you think would be ideal and, of course, what kind of sex should there be in this ideal marriage?

nIt seems to me that there is no such thing as “ideal sex.” Well... It’s not that it’s not, it’s just that “ideal” is an attempt to fit it to a certain standard. Sex should be vibrant. Various. Liberated. Personifying the most secret desires of partners. And probably taking into account these desires and taboos. And not: "I won’t lick until there is anal".... Well... If you try to associate sex with the definition of "Ideal"... Probably for This is what partners should ideally... Feel each other for a start.) But what is your concept of "ideal marriage"?))))

For me, the ideal is mutual understanding and mutual respect.

Well... I tried to explain this, maybe clumsily... Feel each other.. To love without even asking yourself: why do I actually love?... He quarrels only in order to make peace. And not in order to create conditions for reconciliation... Willingness to meet both halfway without an algorithm: if you are, then I am... It’s scary to risk losing this balance... To be ready to sacrifice both, and to no one... So?)

[Venus]

Passionate women, ideal in pastels, as a rule, are not at all suitable for marriage.

Why do you think so?

[Gaelic]

Passionate women, ideal in pastels, as a rule, are not at all suitable for marriage.

Why do you think so?

Borshch is not tasty

[Venus]

Feel each other.

Not just feel, but understand each other.

Be prepared for self-sacrifice for both

Without sacrifice, but to find compromises on all controversial issues.

[ilovebiboys]

find compromises on all controversial issues.

compromises are of course good, but what’s wrong with mutual self-sacrifice?

[Gaelic]

Feel each other.

Not just feel, but understand each other.

Be ready for both self-sacrifice

Without sacrifice, but find compromises on all controversial issues.

Well, that is, without conditions - no way?)))
This is no longer ideal))

[Andrew495]

Why do you think so?

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

[Venus]

find compromises on all controversial issues.

compromises are of course good, but what’s wrong with mutual self-sacrifice?

Self-sacrifice is already the happiness of one, at the expense of the misfortune of another. Well, mutual self-sacrifice is one of those things that doesn’t make sense. Unless they are masochists and being a victim brings them pleasure.

[ilovebiboys]

Why do you think so?

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

So you’re just afraid that you won’t be able to compete with other applicants for such a woman?

[Venus]

Why do you think so?

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

Do you think a good wife is scary and frigid? Or I don’t understand of your logic

[Murena0314]

An ideal marriage, like Communism, is not possible. Well, there are no partners who agree 100 percent on everything, and if there are no family quarrels or showdowns, then there is no development. So is this most ideal marriage necessary - in my opinion, no. The main thing: love and mutual understanding despite contradictions, differences in temperament, sexual preferences and much, much more. In short, you just need to get used to it, as some parts in some complex mechanism get used to over time, and everything will be fine.
I say this from my personal experience, there is probably another opinion.

[Andrew495]

Why do you think so?

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

Do you think a good wife is scary and frigid? Or I don’t understand of your logic

I don’t think I wrote that way. And I also think you understood everything perfectly.

[ilovebiboys]

find compromises on all controversial issues.

compromises are of course good, but what’s wrong with mutual self-sacrifice?

Self-sacrifice is already the happiness of one, at the expense of the misfortune of another. Well, mutual self-sacrifice is one of those things that doesn’t make sense. Unless they are masochists and being a victim brings them pleasure.

Always finding a golden mean in everything is at least boring and In general, this is a utopia, I believe, this does not happen 100 percent in life

and the point here is not at all about masochism, but about pleasing a dear person, seeing his happiness and gratitude - isn’t it Isn’t it a pleasure? In my opinion, a little self-sacrifice is worth it if a person does not take it for granted and sincerely appreciates it

and what does not make sense to me is a relationship in which it is always convenient, but bland

this is all my point of view, if anything

[Venus]

Always finding a middle ground in everything is at least boring and in general it’s a utopia, I think it doesn’t happen 100 percent like that in life

n))) In my starting post it is written that nothing is ideal)))
The topic is just an excuse to talk about the ideal. Who and how sees and imagines it for themselves.

but to please a dear person, to see his happiness and gratitude

You don’t have to sacrifice anything to please your loved one.
Well, if you don’t find compromises on controversial issues, there will be conflicts

[Bully Carrie]

An ideal marriage is only in the head
It may seem to a wife that her marriage is ideal, but at the same time her husband, secretly from her, has mistresses and double life. It may seem to a husband that his marriage is ideal, but at this time his wife is making plans to get a divorce.
I will say this, not an ideal marriage, but a successful one - one that has gone through crises, survived and held on, and when you want to return home. And you want to kiss your husband/your wife, and pamper, and give gifts with or without reason, and when his/her smile is equal to a ray of sunshine for you, and then it doesn’t matter what the weather is like outside: we are together and we warm each other up. And we keep it.

[ilovebiboys]

To please your loved one you don’t have to sacrifice anything

not necessarily, yes, but sometimes you want to)) because it is necessary and worth it

compromises are something else, in my opinion, specifically about controversial situations

and sacrifice is for me just a sincere spontaneous impulse to please a person even at the expense of your own convenience

[Bully Carrie]

but what’s wrong with mutual self-sacrifice

Nothing wrong except the word "sacrifice" in the middle. And memory, which bitch will definitely hide it all somewhere. And it will come at the most inopportune moment in... a few years.

[ilovebiboys]

but what’s wrong with mutual self-sacrifice

Nothing wrong except the word "sacrifice" in the middle. And memory, which bitch will definitely hide it all somewhere. And it will come at the most inopportune moment in a few years.

I don’t cling to this word, I don’t see anything wrong with it) Christ too brought a sacrifice)) and what?))

[Bully Carrie]

Christ also made a sacrifice)) and what?))

Exactly. And now we thank and praise him. And we put ourselves ABOVE ourselves and trust in him. The situation is difficult for the one who is ABOVE, and even more difficult for the one who must thank for the sacrifice.

[Murena0314]

...I will say this, not an ideal marriage, but a successful one - one that has gone through crises, survived and held on, and when you want to return home. And you want to kiss your husband/your wife, and pamper, and give gifts with or without reason, and when his/her smile is equal to a ray of sunshine for you, and then it doesn’t matter what the weather is like outside: we are together and we warm each other up. And here we go.

in-in, I completely agree the ability to survive many adversities together, and stay with each other - that’s what what to strive for. Like the song and video by Dolina "Weather in the House"....

[Bully Carrie]

sacrifice is for me just a sincere spontaneous impulse to do something nice for a person

I understood: if we are talking about getting up an hour earlier in the morning and baking for your beloved, some biscuits for tea - that’s ok, I’m for it)) The main thing is not to throw at him in a fit of anger: I got up an hour earlier for you, but now you don’t want to go to the store for me.

[ilovebiboys]

Christ also made a sacrifice)) and what?))

Exactly. And now we thank and praise him. And we put ourselves ABOVE ourselves and trust in him. It’s a difficult situation for the one who is ABOVE, and even more difficult for the one who should thank for the sacrifice.

damn guys, for your sake, no one ever does anything donated? I’ll give an example from life: when I was operated on, I was in serious condition and couldn’t eat anything for several days, the first day I couldn’t even drink, I didn’t get out of bed at all: my boyfriend was sitting next to me. me for several days literally from morning until lights out, and he moistened my lips with a handkerchief - he went to work, barely ate, slept on a chair.
he only went home to sleep and wash.

Is this a victim? Yes! was it convenient for him - no?

he could have made the notorious “compromise”: come to me for 20 minutes, like the husbands of my roommates, bring groceries from the store that I couldn’t even eat and go on about my convenient business

and I don’t extol him for this, but I will always remember this incident with sincere gratitude , even despite how much shit we saw after that
and who would remember about the “compromise” after so many years

[Gaelic]

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

Well... All the emphasis on the woman is such a thing. Are you perfect by default? Any demands on yourself? Probably just a wallet and shaved armpits (if asked)

[Andrew495]

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

Well... All the emphasis on the woman is such a thing. Are you perfect by default? Any demands on yourself? Probably just a wallet and shaved armpits (if asked)

Read carefully. In my post there is no emphasis on the woman, but an answer to the question why an ideal woman in bed cannot be a good wife.

[Gaelic]

We must start with what it means to be an ideal woman in bed. In my opinion, these are outstanding external data, an increased libido and skills, including turning on men at the drop of a hat. It’s hard for me to imagine how you can be a good wife with all this.

Well... All the emphasis on the woman is such a thing. Are you perfect by default? Any demands on yourself? Probably just a wallet and shaved armpits (if asked)

Read carefully. In my post there is no emphasis on the woman, but an answer to the question why an ideal woman in bed cannot be a good wife.

Well... I apologize if I didn’t understand. But still: do you have any requirements for a man in an ideal relationship?)))

[Bully Carrie]

I don’t extol him for this, but I will always remember this incident with sincere gratitude

Because he was lucky to have you!

[Andrew495]

Well... The whole emphasis on the woman is such a thing. Are you perfect by default? Any demands on yourself? Probably just a wallet and shaved armpits (if asked)

Read carefully. In my post there is no emphasis on the woman, but an answer to the question why an ideal woman in bed cannot be a good wife.

Well... I apologize if I didn’t understand. But still: do you have any requirements for a man in an ideal relationship?)))

I am not against the idealistic approach. A man should be slightly athletic, pleasant, not poor, smart, generous, caring and faithful. But in life, of course, there are deviations from the ideal)))

[ilovebiboys]

I don’t extol him for this, but I will always remember this incident with sincere gratitude

Because he you’re lucky!

well, not everyone is surrounded by assholes, male and female if you are sure that the person is sincere will appreciate it, why not sacrifice yourself?)

[Bully Carrie]

damn guys, has no one ever sacrificed anything for you?

they sacrificed, yes. The main thing is that the donor does not present an invoice to the victim later. That’s exactly what I mean. Because the temptation is great, and the person is weak. In this context, I am cautious about self-sacrifice.

[Bully Carrie]

if you are confident that a person will sincerely appreciate it, why not sacrifice yourself?)

If there is.

[ilovebiboys]

damn guys, has no one ever sacrificed anything for you?

they sacrificed, yes. The main thing is that the donor does not present an invoice to the victim later. That’s exactly what I mean. Because the temptation is great, and the person is weak. In this context, I am cautious about self-sacrifice.

fortunately, I was not charged for that incident)

nbut there were other cases that you are talking about, from other people - there was no smell of sacrifice there, a banal "disservice" or taking credit for your gratitude
n

If there is.

If you don’t try, sometimes you won’t know

[Gaelic]

Read carefully. In my post there is no emphasis on the woman, but an answer to the question why an ideal woman in bed cannot be a good wife.

Well... I apologize if I didn’t understand. But still: do you have any requirements for a man in an ideal relationship?)))

I am not against the idealistic approach. A man should be slightly athletic, pleasant, not poor, smart, generous, caring and faithful. But in life, of course, there are deviations from the ideal)))

That is, after all, creating relationships is only based on the woman? And the man is simply present in them, meeting the requirements?)) Then this is rather not an ideal, but a consumer relationship. According to the algorithm about which I wrote: "if - then.."

[Andrew495]

So, after all, creating relationships is only based on a woman? And the man is simply present in them, meeting the requirements?)) Then this is rather not an ideal, but a consumer relationship. According to the algorithm about which I wrote: "if - then.."

I don’t know what creating relationships is)))) so I can’t answer .

[ilovebiboys]

Well... Forgive me if I don’t understand. But still: do you have any requirements for a man in an ideal relationship?)))

I am not against the idealistic approach. A man should be slightly athletic, pleasant, not poor, smart, generous, caring and faithful. But in life, of course, there are deviations from the ideal)))

That is, after all, creating relationships is only based on the woman? And the man is simply present in them, meeting the requirements?)) Then this is rather not an ideal, but a consumer relationship. According to the algorithm about which I wrote: "if - then.."

the problem is that many want to get a ready-made product, no one wants to invest in the development of a loved one if you don’t meet the requirements - no format, free
few people are able to see the potential in a person and reveal it, or rather, help him to reveal

I also had such a case in my life, so don’t throw your slippers I’m speaking from experience

[Gaelic]

I am not against the idealistic approach. A man should be slightly athletic, pleasant, not poor, smart, generous, caring and faithful. But in life, of course, there are deviations from the ideal)))

That is, after all, creating relationships is only based on the woman? And the man is simply present in them, meeting the requirements?)) Then this is rather not an ideal, but a consumer relationship. According to the algorithm about which I wrote: "if - then.."

the problem is that many want to get a ready-made product, no one wants to invest in the development of a loved one if you don’t meet the requirements - no format, free
few people are able to see the potential in a person and reveal it, or rather, help him to reveal

I also had such a case in my life, so don’t throw slippers I speak from experience

n I can’t wait to throw slippers at you, Darling. We’d rather crush spiders with them)))

[Sweden125]

An ideal marriage is probably its absence! Perfect sex is without obligation!

[ilovebiboys]

So, after all, creating a relationship is only based on a woman? And the man is simply present in them, meeting the requirements?)) Then this is rather not an ideal, but a consumer relationship. According to the algorithm about which I wrote: "if - then.."

the problem is that many want to get a ready-made product, no one wants to invest in the development of a loved one if you don’t meet the requirements - no format, free
few people are able to see the potential in a person and reveal it, or rather, help him to reveal

I also had such a case in my life, so don’t throw slippers I speak from experience

n I can’t wait to throw slippers at you, Darling. We’d rather crush spiders with them)))

I’ll definitely leave this to you, I can’t even get close to them until I shake it’s scary to suck a vacuum cleaner, what if this creature rushes at me

[Xenophon]

An ideal marriage for me is, Firstly, a marriage with a woman. In many ways, have common concepts regarding general human values ​​and, sadly, similar political views. This is when you want to have children together and intend to raise them. Be able to refrain from excessive interference in personal space. And most importantly, sometimes try to put yourself in your spouse’s place.
And with sex it’s quite simple. Openness, the ability to discuss your own and other people’s wishes and not break each other’s knees.

[Bully Carrie]

An ideal marriage for me is, Firstly, a marriage with a woman. In many ways, have common concepts regarding general human values ​​and, sadly, similar political views. This is when you want to have children together and intend to raise them. Be able to refrain from excessive interference in personal space. And most importantly, sometimes try to put yourself in your spouse’s place.
And with sex it’s quite simple. Openness, the ability to discuss your own and other people’s wishes and not break each other over your knees.

Well, this is just some kind of ideal code of an ideal samurai)) Once again confirms the fact that the ideal is unattainable.

[Bully Carrie]

Be able to refrain from excessive interference in personal space

This is the hardest thing IMHO. But I’m working on myself. Where is the fine line between stupid indifference and suffocation with care?

[Xenophon]

Be able to refrain from excessive interference in personal space

This is the hardest thing IMHO. But I’m working on myself. Where is the fine line between stupid indifference and suffocation with care?

So we are talking about the ideal!

[RANGE_]

One will say: it’s green.
Another will say: no, it’s emerald.
And the third, looking at everything, will say: I’m finally color blind, and for me all this green-emerald of yours is gray.

Ideal is an assessment.
An ideal is like something highest and important for you, something you strive for. But everything depends on the idea of ​​what and how it should be (or wants). But a person always wants the external to correspond to his internal - isn’t this ideal?

[Venus]

One will say: it’s green.
Another will say: no, it’s emerald.
And the third, looking at everything, will say: I’m finally color blind, and for me all this green-emerald of yours is gray.

Ideal is an assessment.
An ideal is like something highest and important for you, something you strive for. But everything depends on the idea of ​​what and how it should be (or wants). But a person always wants the external to correspond to his internal - isn’t this ideal?

))) The answer is not counted. The question was

What kind of marriage do you think would be ideal

))) Well, how about you so

[RANGE_]

) The answer is not counted. The question was
Strecoza: ↑What kind of marriage in your opinion would be ideal
))) Well, how did you do that

))
I promise to answer a little later, because... I want to do it in a detailed, inverted and perfect way)))

Sent after 2 hours 32 minutes 16 seconds:
In the first lines of my post, I want to say that marriage without creating a family (with children who are brats, diapers and poop) is a meaningless action for me.
So, a paper marriage.
But if a legal necessity arises for a common cause, then you can stamp the relationship on state-issued forms.
I already have enough “tattoos” in my passport.
There is registration, and about military service, and about "blood type on the sleeve"))

But marriage (family) without children, churches without crosses, mosques without minarets...and so on.
And then, this is not a very beautiful word called "cohabitation".

Once upon a time, when I was 17-18 years old, my mother asked me how I felt about marriage, about family?
I answered her honestly: Mom, I want children as a continuation of the family. And I will tinker with them. But it’s hard for me to imagine myself with the same woman every day. Like, the very presence of a loved one nearby 24/7 is torment for me.
Mother asked with a grin: Do you need a harem?
Me: No. I don’t understand how you and your father don’t get tired of each other?
Mother: You’re used to it.
That’s where the dialogue ended. But not in my head.

Of course, we got used to it. When you see each other only on weekends.

Dad is in service (opers) - either on duty, then on business trips, then in anti-terrorism operations, then from vacation they will drag you out to kill on his "land" ".

I have something else - I want to be alone more often.
In the "ideal" - the wife is in one wing of the house, and I am in the other.
I wanted it.
This is the kind of crappy “husband” I am)))

How do you like this kind of marriage?