There was sex before the birth of the child, but after that it stopped, what’s the problem?

[Odd Man 163]

The sex before the birth of the child was very good, after that it was not a fountain at all, what could it be, tell me)?

[red_fox]

Have you tried to help your wife? Try it, it will help.

[RANGE_]

The sex before the baby was born was very good, after that it wasn’t a fountain at all, what could it be, tell me)?

How much time passed after giving birth?
Did you have a “gut” on your side during your wife’s pregnancy?
First child or...?
You Would you describe in more detail "before and after".
Judging by the question, you are very young, in terms of life and family experience.
But for some, their sex life actually breaks down after the birth of their first child. There are both physiological and psychological reasons for both.

[Venus]

The sex before the baby was born was very good, after that it was not a fountain at all, what could it be, tell me)?

How much time passed after giving birth?
Did you have a “gut” on your side during your wife’s pregnancy?
First child or...? You could describe in more detail "before and after".
Judging by the question, you are very young in terms of life and family experience.
But for some, their sex life really breaks down after birth of the first child. There are physiological and psychological reasons for both.

))) TS has the first message in the topic of male pops. Where he admires a man’s butt.
First you need to find out who he had sex with and what kind of sex. Then find out who had the child and from whom)))

[RANGE_]

TS has the first message in the topic of men’s pops. Where he admires a man’s butt.
First you need to find out who he had sex with and what kind of sex. Then find out who had a child and from whom)))

Now it’s clear))

But this is also my first time here appeared not in the most popular topic with a question. So no one answered it. Then I started trolling in those topics, realizing that they didn’t realize what they were writing/doing.

[Venus]

VARG_, TS asked us for help, here I am I decided to see what else he wrote here.

[red_fox]

Now it’s clear))

But this is also the first time I’ve appeared here, not in the most popular topic with a question. So no one answered it. Then I started trolling in those topics, realizing that they didn’t realize what they were writing/doing.

I started to look to see what you wrote. Are you into sex with grannies? I didn’t find any other “crime.”

[RANGE_]

VARG_, TS contacted us for help, so I decided to see what else he wrote here.

I do the same. But this time, even more dynamism :)

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Now it’s clear))

But this is also the first time I’ve appeared here, not in the most popular topic with a question. So no one answered it. Then I started trolling in those topics, realizing that they didn’t realize what they were writing/doing.

I started to look to see what you wrote. Are you into sex with grannies? I didn’t find any other “crime.”

Yes, I wanted to find out about attraction. Where does it come from? Especially for those who tried it with their grandmothers. This was a purely psychological question.

[Venus]

VARG_, did you write about sex with grandmothers? Do you have any more accounts here?

[RANGE_]

VARG_, you wrote about sex with grandmothers? Do you have another account here?

Honestly, there is a spare account here, but I don’t use it. So, I somehow gave someone a like... to register my presence.


I am on another forum;) One of the forum members, Tama here, knows )))

[Go ahead]

Guys, I really don’t understand why, when it comes to having children, so many of you are such stubborn idiots? Don’t you see that your wife is now working in an unpaid 24-hour job, where it is impossible to eat, sleep, or, excuse me, take a shit in peace even once a day? As for childbirth, put a watermelon through your ass, maybe you’ll understand later. What kind of sex is there, at the end of the day after two years (in the country there are no grandparents, no sisters, no girlfriends with whom you could at least sometimes leave the children, and my husband is at work every day until 21-22:00, and in the rare free time from work, there were some other things to do, or get-togethers with friends, or a mistress) I didn’t have the strength to hear the TV in the background, before that, after a whole day with the kids, I was mentally fucked. And there’s still a sleepless night ahead, yoohoo! and then this fucking Groundhog Day all over again.
My husband also spent three years whining about normal sex (in the end he went crazy). And before that I spent 7 years whining at children. Begged for it. He sincerely and fucking asked what happened to me. As a result, sex, the same as it was before children, returned to us when the youngest turned 2 years old.
Because by this time several constellations had converged at once - I finished feeding, began to get enough sleep, my husband and I divorced (but stayed to live together hehe, but on conditions - at least he’ll blather or do something wrong, will go away) and the fact that I finally got myself a few free hours a week to go in for sports.
Not ready for children/not ready to help my missus and raise my children themselves (that is, to be as involved a father as the mother is involved)/you still have childhood playing in your ass - don’t have children under any circumstances. Otherwise, you will not only have sex according to the "star"

[Hair shirt]

Guys, I really don’t understand why, when it comes to having children, many of you are such stubborn idiots? Don’t you see that your wife is now working in an unpaid 24-hour job, where it is impossible to eat, sleep, or, excuse me, take a shit in peace even once a day? As for childbirth, put a watermelon through your ass, maybe you’ll understand later. What kind of sex is there, at the end of the day after two years (in the country there are no grandparents, no sisters, no girlfriends with whom you could at least sometimes leave the children, and my husband is at work every day until 21-22:00, and in the rare free time from work, there were some other things to do, or get-togethers with friends, or a mistress) I didn’t have the strength to hear the TV in the background, before that, after a whole day with the kids, I was mentally fucked. And there’s still a sleepless night ahead, yoohoo! and then this fucking Groundhog Day all over again.
My husband also spent three years whining about normal sex (in the end he went crazy). And before that I spent 7 years whining at children. Begged for it. He sincerely and fucking asked what happened to me. As a result, sex, the same as it was before children, returned to us when the youngest turned 2 years old.
Because by this time several constellations came together at once - I finished feeding, began to get enough sleep, my husband and I divorced (but stayed alive together hehe, but on conditions - even if he blathers or does something wrong, he’ll go away) and the fact that I finally got myself a few free hours a week for sports.
Not ready for children/ are not ready to help the missus and also raise their children themselves (that is, to be as involved as the father as the mother is involved) / they themselves still have childhood in their butts - do not have children under any circumstances. Otherwise, you will not only have sex according to the "star"

I have two relatives, I won’t name who exactly, both are men. Both of these men, as a result, later, because of this help, flushed all their capabilities down the toilet. And in fact, my whole life. One man was a military man; at thirty he was already a major. Everyone was talking about him - well, this one will definitely become a general.
The second very promising future scientist, the pride of the professors at the department at the institute. Everyone at the institute expected him to move on to graduate school, defend his dissertation, and work in the very promising field of electronics.

As a result, one was demobilized from the army as a major.
The second one did not defend any thesis and did not enter graduate school. In general, he went into some small business, which he later abandoned, and then retrained to become an accountant. And all because they were both devoured by their family, because both of them were given birth to children. One is four years old, the other is two years old. Well, what kind of fucking disser is there when he was constantly being forced to do something around the house as soon as he showed up at home.

Again, the money is needed for all these children. Well, what the hell is graduate school like when two kinders scream non-stop. Accordingly, my wife does not work and she needs money for everything. Much money. Especially if you don’t have your own home.
The conclusion is this: men should under no circumstances help their wives with all these household chores. Because of this, he will waste all his possibilities. And she, this wife of his, will then fuck herself for wasting opportunities. When he had to tear his ass, he washed diapers, wiped the children’s asses at night, and prepared breakfast. And on the weekends I fucked up the apartment. Because his wife is very tired and he feels sorry for her and he does some housework for her.

And then she, just like you did, divorces him because he squandered all his opportunities, money doesn’t earn much.
But if one man would rise to the rank of general and the position of district commander at fifty years old. And another guy at thirty years old would become a Doctor of Science, would first head the department, and then become the rector of some Pleshka, but the situation would be completely different. And both would have honor and respect. And the wives would then blow away the specks of dust from their husbands and be proud of them. And they wouldn’t divorce them.

And the wives would also have cars with drivers and a staff of massagers, hairdressers, and stylists. Vacation home.

[Go ahead]

I have two relatives, I won’t name who exactly, both are men. Both of these men, as a result, later, because of this help, flushed all their capabilities down the toilet. But in fact, her whole life.

Why should a woman waste her career and her life on washing diapers and wiping her butt?
nIt’s one thing if a woman herself wants a bunch of children, because she doesn’t know how to do anything else except wash her butts and sit on her husband’s neck, or she’s just a natural mother and she doesn’t need anything else in life. And I’m ready to live in this swamp and I’m ready to hear from my husband: “Oh, you’ve turned ugly, you’ve gone completely stupid,” “Why have you gotten so fat?,” “You don’t need anything,” “At home sitting on my neck”, ”Oh, why is our sex so rare and creepy?” and raising this bunch of children, when a successful and satisfied husband realizes himself, has fun and enjoys life in every possible way - here is a career, here is a strong rear in in the form of a wife, beautiful children, there mistresses for soul and body. If a woman is ready for this and everyone is happy with everything - yes, for God’s sake.
I once left a successful career, the peak of which was approaching, a gorgeous figure and appearance, friends, boyfriends for the sake of maternity leave. All this falls away when you have two screaming diapered people in your arms around the clock. Because my husband wanted it that way. The mother-in-law and husband began to cry - "You’ve been together for 7 years, when you have children, it’s high time." "I so want children," "I so want grandchildren." As a result, no one except me needed these children and grandchildren. The mother-in-law completely disappeared from any radar, denying that she had her own life. Everyone wants to live their wonderful socialized life. Not only a man.
And I sit on maternity leave and try to do everything that is possible with two small children, fortunately now there is the Internet and you can work and make money remotely.
And I didn’t get divorced because my husband he doesn’t earn well or hasn’t realized himself, not because of such nonsense (yes, for me it’s nonsense, because I know how to earn money myself and because I loved him). But because at one point I realized that he had long ceased to be with me and our family, and occasionally coming home he also checked his license (there were other reasons, but not at all related to the topic). Even about mistresses, she said that I am not categorical, just let him be honest. But this is a failure too. Now he is bending over backwards to save me/the family, but it’s too late, unfortunately.
"The conclusion is this: men should under no circumstances help their wives with all these household chores. He will go to hell because of this all his possibilities." - well, let such a man not whine about children and not have them. Either he’s looking for a domestic whore-slave who will be happy about all this, or let him be ready to earn enough to provide a nanny/housekeeper for his family and then don’t whine to the woman “what happened to you/with sex” and don’t run around whores.
In the last paragraph you have too many “would”s, but they might not, and this is most likely. Why is this so - the most common option is "drunk to death". And without children, a man most often cannot withstand competition at work/responsibility/crises, etc. There are hundreds of other options, but our men often choose the easiest one to derail their lives - alcohol.

[Venus]

One of the forum members, Tama here, knows

))) I don’t know))) write it to me in a personal message, pzhl

[Hair shirt]

Why should a woman waste her career and her life on washing diapers and wiping her butts?
It’s one thing if a woman herself wants a bunch of children, since she doesn’t know how to do anything else except wash her butts, and sit on her husband’s neck, or is she just a natural mother and she doesn’t need anything else in life. And I’m ready to live in this swamp and I’m ready to hear from my husband: “Oh, you’ve turned ugly, you’ve gone completely stupid,” “Why have you gotten so fat?,” “You don’t need anything,” “At home sitting on my neck”, ”Oh, why is our sex so rare and creepy?” and raising this bunch of children, when a successful and satisfied husband realizes himself, has fun and enjoys life in every possible way - here is a career, here is a strong rear in in the form of a wife, beautiful children, there mistresses for soul and body. If a woman is ready for this and everyone is happy with everything - yes, for God’s sake.
I once left a successful career, the peak of which was approaching, a gorgeous figure and appearance, friends, boyfriends for the sake of maternity leave. All this falls away when you have two screaming diapered people in your arms around the clock. Because my husband wanted it that way. The mother-in-law and husband began to cry - "You’ve been together for 7 years, when you have children, it’s high time." "I so want children," "I so want grandchildren." As a result, no one except me needed these children and grandchildren. The mother-in-law completely disappeared from any radar, denying that she had her own life. Everyone wants to live their wonderful socialized life. Not only a man.
And I sit on maternity leave and try to do everything that is possible with two small children, fortunately now there is the Internet and you can work and make money remotely.
And I didn’t get divorced because my husband he doesn’t earn well or hasn’t realized himself, not because of such nonsense (yes, for me it’s nonsense, because I know how to earn money myself and because I loved him). But because at one point I realized that he had long ceased to be with me and our family, and occasionally coming home he also checked his license (there were other reasons, but not at all related to the topic). Even about mistresses, she said that I am not categorical, just let him be honest. But this is a failure too. Now he is bending over backwards to save me/the family, but it’s too late, unfortunately.
"The conclusion is this: men should under no circumstances help their wives in all these household chores. Because of this, he will waste all his opportunities." - well, let such a man not whine about children and not have them. Either he is looking for a domestic slut-slave who will be happy with all this, or let him be ready to earn enough to provide a nanny/ a housekeeper for her family and doesn’t then whine to the woman “what happened to you/with sex,” and doesn’t run around with whores.
In the last paragraph you have too many “woulda”s, but they might not , and this is most likely. Why is this so - the most common option is "drunk". And without children, a man most often cannot withstand competition at work/responsibility/crises, etc. There are hundreds of other options, but our men often choose. The easiest way to derail your life is alcohol.

Those two men about whom I wrote above were simply unlucky with their wives. They themselves were focused on their careers. both were very honest towards their wives. Even more than they should have been. And their help to their wife when she was having a hard time was detrimental to her career.
He had to write a dissertation, and that meant going to Moscow for work. department for consultations. Pass the candidate’s minimum in English. This means very good spoken English, which you can’t learn in a month, and you have to work very closely with a tutor almost every day for at least a year. And not wash diapers at home.

As for the second guy, who is a major, in his case it was necessary to choose more promising positions during rotation. And this means military points, outback areas, difficult living conditions. But at least career growth and another title. Again, if you have personnel according to your position, then you are in the unit from wake-up until lights-out. Then there will be order there and there will be no jambs. And if you whistled home at five to help your wife wash the diapers, then you don’t have to wonder where the hazing comes from. Where did some violations come from in your assigned unit, and where then did you get penalties in your personal file.

And I think you, too, were simply unlucky with the guy. He simply could not appreciate your sacrifice in the name of the children whom, as you say, he himself wanted. He apparently just didn’t even think about what all this would entail and how difficult it all was. Perhaps you yourself also had no idea how difficult all this is.
I read all sorts of different Russian classical prose from time to time. And all of it is practically about pre-revolutionary times. That is, about the nobles. And not everyone had their own estate with a manor house, a lawn in front of this house and a hundred-year-old oak tree on this lawn. Very many nobles were without any estate at all, without any real estate. But somehow they managed to arrange their lives by never washing their panties and socks, never preparing food for themselves.

And accordingly, they never nursed their children. They began to consciously engage with them even when it did not shit on itself, and when it was already able to walk and talk. As we all know, Pushkin was taught to speak by his serf grandmother, Arina Rodionovna. And not your own mother.
My point is that if you earned good money and your career was at its peak, then why didn’t you hire people who would take care of your young children while they are small and still require a lot of time?
Why didn’t you hire some live-in girl who would take care of your child around the clock? I don’t think it’s worth that much money. There are so many visitors to Moscow who work hard jobs from dark to dark for pennies. In any case, looking after your children in a warm place all the time is better than sitting at a sewing machine for days in a sewing workshop somewhere.

Why did you give up your career knowing in advance how it would all be? Did you think that your mother-in-law would move in with you and cook and go for walks with the child? Yes, she was simply fucked by all her friends and relatives that they all already have grandchildren and everyone has been traveling for a long time and making a goat for their grandchildren and sending photos to relatives on their mobile phones. But your mother-in-law cannot boast of this. And because of this, apparently, they have already started gossiping that she is probably barren. Or he doesn’t want to be a specialist because he is looking for a better and richer man. And don’t leave your husband today. Again, she’s making a career, probably fucking with everyone there on her business trips and trips to symposiums and negotiations.

I know one family of doctors. At that time, she was a nurse who had just graduated from medical school. He is an intensive care nurse, a fourth-year medical student. We met each other in intensive care and became attached to each other. She already had a girl from her first marriage. But somehow everything worked out so well for them that this girl from her first marriage joined this family as if he were her own father. Soon a boy was born to them. He graduated from medical school and now works in intensive care as an anesthesiologist. And everything is fine with them.

So...
This girl is originally a village nurse, from the Moscow region. She didn’t touch this man of hers in any way. And somehow she managed to do everything herself: cook, wipe asses, and clean the house. And I didn’t touch the guy at all when he finished his medical work and wrote his diploma. And then, after some time, this girl returned to work in her intensive care unit, where she had been before her maternity leave. And somehow they plan to stay on duty in the intensive care unit with my husband so that someone is always at home with the boy. But that’s in the past.
Right now, I think the boy has already gone to school; my daughter from his first marriage, I think, is already seventeen years old. And everything is fine with them.

Well, in general, you were just unlucky with the guy.
But on the other hand, your text about your life may be one side of the coin. But if only I could listen to your husband. Maybe there’s something else there too. Maybe you were deceiving each other and both of you had someone on your side?
This hits relationships very hard - betrayal. And the person is faced with a dilemma - or right now pack your suitcase and leave. Or...
Or leave everything as it is because you need to pay for the apartment, because alimony, because both are not ready for this right now.
And so you continue to live and fuck each other. It’s all sad...

[Christmas_Christmas]

The sex before the baby was born was very good, after that it wasn’t a fountain at all, what could it be, tell me)?

Before the birth of a child, you, for your wife\woman, are her most important child. That’s all from here)))... everything is just for you... sex.. delicacies and all sorts of goodies... attention, etc.... in short, everything is for you...
and here it is after the birth of a child, a man fades into the background... even if he is a beloved man... now a woman will first of all give herself to the child, and only then to her man)))...
one of the reasons , why is sex "not fortun"... a woman’s head is now occupied not only with a man and "his sex"....

[Hair shirt]

Before the birth of a child, you, for your wife\woman, are her most important child. That’s all from here)))... everything is just for you... sex.. delicacies and all sorts of goodies... attention, etc.... in short, everything is for you...
and here it is after the birth of a child, a man fades into the background... even if he is a beloved man... now a woman will first of all give herself to the child, and only then to her man)))...
one of the reasons , why is sex "not fortun"... a woman’s head is now occupied not only with a man and "his sex"....

You know who the saddest one at any wedding? And I’ll tell you - the groom!
Do you know why? Because this whole celebration of life, as a rule, is in his throat, and if it were his will, he would still put off the wedding.
Do you know why? Yes, because right now he is approaching, because right now he needs to somehow decide what he will do in this life. Why does he need this university where he is studying, what will he do next after graduation?

And if he works, then he needs to think carefully about what he is doing right now in the place where he works. And why is he there and what are his prospects? And why does he need this job in which he earns exactly as much money as he spends, taking into account pocket money, rent, clothes, lunches and a refrigerator at home.
And then babaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah on his head with his wife!!!
And he seemed to be trying to fight back somehow - and he, oh, what a smart-ass you are! How to fuckregularly so you like it. And get married right away!
In short - either get married or there will be no more sex. And now we see another sad groom at the wedding.

And of course, after the wedding he gets a prize - how many months of fucking as much as he wants - take it out and put it down!!!! But all this until the Kinder appeared. How the child of the groom, that is, the husband appeared, can and should be shortened. Enough! The freebie is over - hurry up, you’ll be late for work!
And here you won’t get fucked because public opinion is on her side - you are a husband, a father. You have to support your family, and you also have to plant a tree, build a house...
And then probably die.
To free up living space for your offspring. Because besides living space, you basically have nothing.

[Go ahead]

He apparently just didn’t even think about what all this would entail and how difficult it all was. Perhaps you yourself also had no idea how difficult all this is.

This is one of the reasons. I can’t say that my husband is bad, it’s just that when adulthood and adult problems appeared, we grew into different people, our attitude towards life and what we want to get from life are all completely different, but by inertia we continued to be together. And what forced her to interrupt was that, in general, during the same period of birth of children, several cataclysms occurred one after another, briefly - the death of a loved one, some showdowns (with external irritants), moving to another country, betrayal of loved ones/friends, the beginning of life from scratch. It was very difficult. And in every difficult situation, he behaved absolutely differently from what I expected; almost nowhere did he prove himself to be a reliable partner for me. And suddenly I finally looked at him with completely different eyes. Previously, I had a different opinion about him, although the prerequisites were always there, I don’t know why I didn’t notice. Somewhere I am also to blame - I was in vain dragging the blanket over myself, but it was necessary for his mistakes and general difficulties to hit not only me, but him.
About the option you proposed with the continuation of your career - I also wanted that, but it turned out differently, it would take a long time to describe the chain of events that led to this, offtopic, and there’s no point.
About betrayal - ugh, abomination, thank God I’m not capable of that.
That’s why we don’t leave, because it’s difficult. There is no desire to destroy something that has been built for more than ten years. Common property, children, business, we often have a good time together. Financially and in everyday life it is not beneficial for either me or him - we are both rationalists.
Well, this is all offtopic! The topic is about something else. About the fact that, what the fuck, what kind of stupidity is this, men who, after the birth of a child, ask their wife, “What happened to you?,” Are you fucking living on another planet or something from your own family? Do you not understand what giving birth to children and caring for them means?

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And he seemed to be trying to fight back somehow - and oh, what a cunning ass he is! How to fuckregularly so you like it. And to get married right away in the bushes!

Well, this is something fabulous. I’ve never seen a man who’s against his will – boom and his wife’s head! How is this even possible?)
The fact is that many women want to get married as soon as possible and have children, yes, there are many of them. But no one will forcibly drag a man down the aisle, especially a man (!!) against his will - we have a free country). Not a slave-owning matriarchy)
And it’s not true that only women need it. Here’s how I already wrote. Everything was fine with us, we dated for 7 years, comfortably, without marriage, as much as everyone wanted - they earned what they wanted, did what they wanted, as much as they wanted, and fucked as much. No one was going to ring him and give him a bunch of children. I was completely satisfied with everything. And after three years of the relationship, my beloved at that time and his relatives began to fuck my brains - when the wedding, when the children, whoops. And so it went for 4 years, until they finally gave up on me and I gave up. And I didn’t think about it myself - it’s true, maybe I really need it, something is apparently wrong with me.
And I know other examples where it was the man who wanted marriage and children, and not the girl who jumped on him, raped him and tied him up against his will.
So, don’t, dear, don’t, don’t fill it up)
If it suddenly happened, in my opinion it’s surreal that they were ringed and gave birth against her will, because that’s what the woman needed - no questions asked, let her handle it herself. But if the man himself wanted, the woman himself led the woman to the altar and they came together to the birth of children, if he himself needed these children and this marriage, then let him be a normal involved husband and father. And not a stranger to the family uncle

[Hair shirt]

So, no, dear, don’t, don’t fill it up)
If it suddenly happened, it’s such a surprise, in my opinion, that they were ringed and gave birth against her will, because that’s what the woman needed—there’s no questions, let her sort it out herself. But if the man himself wanted, the woman himself led the woman to the altar and they came together to the birth of children, if he himself needed these children and this marriage, then let him be a normal involved husband and father. And not a stranger to the family

You write everything correctly. I don’t dare argue with you in such situations. Apparently, you really shouldn’t have gotten married.
But the fact that you continue to live with that person whom you consider a mistake in your life is, in my opinion, bad. Very bad.
Yes, this is a comfort zone. It’s like it’s so convenient - you don’t have to cut anything, it’s beneficial for both. I don’t want to change anything because everything is very complicated and if you start changing everything it will be very bad for everyone. My mother-in-law grew old with her husband, whom she despised all her life, and all her life she never tired of telling everyone how he fucked her up and what an asshole he is and how bad it is with him.
Right now, both of them are going to hospitals with their sores.

So leave your comfort zone before your butt becomes flabby and saggy. While there is a chance to somehow find your soul mate. The older you are, the more difficult it will be.
Don’t hang around in this situation, no matter how difficult it is.
I have something to say about all this, but right now I’m in a hurry to finish one thing, so maybe I’ll add it later.

[AlexK85]

Sackcloth, good time, I myself sometimes love a lot and I would like to express my thoughts in detail, and I would like to write a lot of things to you, share my experience and add to your collection of examples, but it would probably be inappropriate to do this here... I’ll just say. Each sentence what you wrote here echoed in my soul, everything is true and vital! It would be interesting to talk with you, to find out who you are, how old you are and how you decided on your destiny, and where did you get such experience to have such reasoning... I hope there will be an opportunity to find out. The only thing I would like to add. There is no need to have children and start a family in general in the current realities, this is my personal opinion, kick me if you want. I think that in order to get married and especially have children, for this you need to at least pass an exam! Moreover, the exam is not like in a university... but like for a damn certification in Microsoft or something similar, directly with a serious test of a person’s knowledge and skills on where he is even poking around!

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Well, here’s something fabulous. I’ve never seen a man who’s against his will – boom and his wife’s head! How is this even possible?)
The fact is that many women want to get married as soon as possible and have children, yes, there are many of them. But no one will forcibly drag a man down the aisle, especially a man (!!) against his will - we have a free country). Not a slave-owning matriarchy)

Here perhaps it was meant that he is not forced in the usual understanding of this word, someone with a gun to his head is not standing, but what is meant is social pressure to an immature and inexperienced mind... like, a decent person MUST get married... but he doesn’t understand that this is the end of his desires, dreams and aspirations, he often thinks that with marriage he gains, but does not think that he gives (

[Go ahead]

So leave your comfort zone before your ass becomes flabby and saggy. While there is a chance to somehow find your soul mate. The older you get, the more difficult it will be.

I completely agree, it’s just that we haven’t separated yet, he suddenly sent his bosses, who previously always allowed him to plow overtime and turn around for free them as they please, friends and other things they do and began to spend time with their family. It all suddenly dawned on the man as soon as he realized that this, the point of no return, had been passed. Suddenly he became a caring father and husband. I began to take on general affairs, some household chores and responsibility. He says he doesn’t want to lose his family. It’s a pity that I realized this so late. For some reason, while I was screaming, cursing, making trouble, but still loving and dragging everything along, I didn’t get it. When he came up and said without any complaints that that was all, he took off the ring, took the divorce petition to the court, went there and started talking about how to separate and cut everything off - his eyes suddenly opened. For me, who was fucked beyond belief (even before I had health problems), this now gives me the opportunity to take a break. Although I understand that there is no trace of love anymore, and that I already feel and even behave like your mother-in-law. And I feel that I want to see another person next to me.
I guess now I just need to take a breath and finally decide to start changing my life. But there are still very young children who become attached to their now super caring father. I don’t understand how to deprive them of a father and a full-fledged family. Plus the fact that I now, understanding everything, turns out to be using him and his insight, without actually wanting to be with him, which perhaps gives him hope that it is still possible to return it - also nothing good.

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No need to start children and starting a family in general in the current realities, this is my personal opinion, kick me if you want. I think that in order to get married and especially have children, you need to at least pass an exam!

My thoughts were voiced :) about a couple of years ago, I I published a post on my social networks about the need to somehow prohibit people from having children without appropriate training and passing a theory exam, and in general for psychological suitability and readiness to become parents. Received a diploma saying that you can be a parent, become one. Didn’t get it - no children! And then from absolutely stupid, but in principle harmless questions - "People, why did my wife and I lose normal sex?" to catastrophic consequences for the child.
For some reason, to drive a car or wear weapons (which can harm someone’s life), to work with complex equipment, you need training and appropriate documents, but anyone can take a little life into their own hands and mutilate it as they please.

[Hair shirt]

Here perhaps it was meant that he is not forced in the usual understanding of this word, someone with a gun to his head is not standing, but what is meant is social pressure on a fragile and inexperienced mind... like, a decent person MUST get married... and he does not understand that this is the end of his desires, dreams and aspirations, he often thinks that with marriage he gains, but does not think that he gives (

All exactly like that!

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I completely agree, it’s just that before we left yet, he suddenly sent his bosses, who had previously always allowed him to work overtime for free and manage his friends and other affairs as he pleased, and began to spend time with his family. It all suddenly dawned on the man as soon as he realized that this, the point of no return, had been passed. Suddenly he became a caring father and husband. I began to take on general affairs, some household chores and responsibility. He says he doesn’t want to lose his family. It’s a pity that I realized this so late. For some reason, while I was screaming, cursing, making trouble, but still loving and dragging everything along, I didn’t get it. When he came up and said without any complaints that that was all, he took off the ring, took the divorce petition to the court, went there and started talking about how to separate and cut everything off - his eyes suddenly opened. For me, who was fucked beyond belief (even before I had health problems), this now gives me the opportunity to take a break. Although I understand that there is no trace of love anymore, and that I already feel and even behave like your mother-in-law. And I feel that I want to see another person next to me.
I guess now I just need to take a breath and finally decide to start changing my life. But there are still very young children who become attached to their now super caring father. I don’t understand how to deprive them of a father and a full-fledged family. Plus the fact that I now, understanding everything, turns out to be using him and his insight, without actually wanting to be with him, which perhaps gives him hope that it is still possible to return it - also nothing good. n

Answer the most important question - are you having sex with him right now? I think there is.
And if it exists, then what are we even talking about here. You were just able to finally ride the restive horse. They stripped his lips with an iron bit, put a saddle on him and tightened the girth tightly. And she is your little boat, she began to obey you and do what you want from her. You pulled the bit to the left - she turns left. They pulled to the right - she goes to the right.
Isn’t this what you wanted from this horse of yours before?

I think you just need to decide what kind of man you need. And what do you want from him in the end? But you must understand that you cannot sit on two chairs. Either the man will help in everything in the house and will be a fucking family man, but because of this there will always be money in the family, not only that there will not be enough money, there will always be a shortage of it for everyone. There will simply be few of them.
Or the man will not do anything around the house at all, but then he must make a career and implement it according to the principle - ten years and I’m in the boss’s chair. That is, he must really go for it and do everything for it. Complete some additional internships, write some dissertations, complete any necessary MBAs. Participate in all sorts of presidential parties like Leaders of Russia. Or whatever it’s called.
And also don’t talk too much at work, don’t have affairs at work, keep your nose to the wind and generally try not to make mistakes.

And now ten years pass and he really is in the boss’s chair. And you can afford your own brand new car, you can afford to never work again in this life, and then there are all the goodies that come with it.
So you will finally decide who exactly you need.

Well, what about love...
If you and your husband are having sex right now, that means there is love. So you just need a stay-at-home husband. Well, be glad that he became like this.
But just don’t ask God for a lot of money then.
Then there will be exactly as much money as you need, no more.

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My thoughts were voiced :) about a couple of years ago, I published a post on my social networks about the need to somehow prohibit people from having children without appropriate training and passing a theory exam, and in general for psychological suitability and readiness to become parents. Received a diploma saying that you can be a parent, become one. Didn’t get it - no children! And then from absolutely stupid, but in principle harmless questions - "People, why did my wife and I lose normal sex?" to catastrophic consequences for the child.
For some reason, to drive a car or wear weapons (which can harm someone’s life), to work with complex equipment, you need training and appropriate documents, but anyone can take a little life into their own hands and mutilate it as they please.

No reasonable and sane state will do this. The state needs workers and tax payers. And you can’t force someone to give birth to children. And so far people are doing it voluntarily. Because their brains are fucked up. Women say that she is not a woman if she has not had children. And a man is not a man if he hasn’t given birth to a son, planted a tree and built a house. Well, and all that.

But if tomorrow this system is inadvertently broken or somehow destroyed, then the people will realize that raising children is long, expensive and, most importantly, thankless. They grow up and tell you to fuck off. Go listen to the grandmothers in the clinics. They will explain everything to you in a popular way and tell you how they now regret that they had a hundred children at one time and that there is no benefit from it. And if she had a better time in life, she would be healthier.

Well, in general, if this thing is broken and everyone stops giving birth and starts taking care of themselves, spending money only on themselves, then they will only win.
And no one will come to these exams for permission to have children.
Why?
So that you can’t sleep at night and even go to the toilet with a child in your arms for the next five years?

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Vasyanitsa, good morning, I myself sometimes like to express my thoughts in detail and a lot, and you want a lot of things write, share your experience and add to your collection of examples, but it would probably be inappropriate to do this here... I’ll just say. Each sentence what you wrote here echoed in my soul, everything is true and vital! It would be interesting to talk to you, to find out who you are, how many years ago you are and how you decided on your destiny, and where did you get such experience to have such reasoning... I hope there will be an opportunity to find out.

If you want to have a pleasant conversation with someone and not get into a fight after five minutes, don’t get personal. Don’t tell your interlocutor - what would you do yourself? Do you even have children to say that? Have you ever worked in this and that way to say that? And so on.
As soon as you get personal, you will immediately shit. Well, then why do you ask, did you communicate with each other? To say nasty things to each other and, at best, to simply leave dissatisfied with each other. At worst, beat each other up and then hate each other. Is this really what you wanted from the beginning?

So I think asking me about something from my personal life is unnecessary.

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And if he is what

You don’t know even a fraction of the situation you’re talking about. Because you don’t have all the information, you draw completely wrong conclusions. Do not do it this way. Let’s finish discussing my personal life.

About help - the two extreme situations that you described are not the entire range of life situations that can exist. Why do you need to go to extremes - or "be a shitty father and husband, but for some reason you have to achieve a high position and wealth" (but you ignore my remark that you can be a shitty family man, but never achieve success in your career , full of drunks, or simply incapable men who gave birth to children and never raised them or cared for them), or "to be a heeled horse, a horse in the bit, without the opportunity to self-actualize". You are not a stupid person and not one-sided, why are you doing this?
It is clear that family interferes with career, and career interferes with family, but there are so many options that you omit, going to the extremes of this confrontation.
You can be a successful person at work, but still love and value your spouse and children. You don’t need to sit at home under your thumb to be a worthy father and husband. It is also not necessary to wash diapers. A normal wife prostrates herself and won’t break off. But a loving person will want to do something valuable for his loved ones.

[Samara]

Eccentric man 163, Hello, fellow countryman, apparently , I support the question of how much time has passed, everything has its time. As a father of many children, I can say that my wife needs to step away and get used to a new role and new realities, and you need to help with this, she shouldn’t see you as another one who needs care, who needs to be fed, washed, cleaned, etc., she’s in you should see the only one who will always help her in everything, with my first-born, I remember my wife and I almost jumped up and ran to the baby at night, rocked him in my arms for hours when he was teething, letting her sleep, washing things, tidying up, and so on, It’s really hard for her, even beyond the physical, morally, her whole life has changed, her whole way of life is different now and most likely not as she imagined it in her fantasies... your help in practice, even in small things, she needs support and care like air

[homa515]

When my child was born, I didn’t really want to for half a year. Then I went on a spree. I even cheated. Then it became normal. It won’t be like before the child. That’s for sure.

[Amateur]

Vasyanitsa: ↑Mar 31, 2024, 06:45
I have two relatives, I won’t name who exactly, both are men. Both of these men, as a result, later, because of this help, flushed all their capabilities down the toilet. But in fact, her whole life.
Why should a woman waste her career and her life on washing diapers and wiping her butt?
It’s one thing if a woman herself wants a bunch of children, since there’s nothing else knows how to do anything except wash her butts and sit on her husband’s neck, or she’s just a natural mother and she doesn’t need anything else in life. And I’m ready to live in this swamp and I’m ready to hear from my husband: “Oh, you’ve turned ugly, you’ve gone completely stupid,” “Why have you gotten so fat?,” “You don’t need anything,” “At home sitting on my neck”, ”Oh, why is our sex so rare and creepy?” and raising this bunch of children, when a successful and satisfied husband realizes himself, has fun and enjoys life in every possible way - here is a career, here is a strong rear in in the form of a wife, beautiful children, there mistresses for soul and body. If a woman is ready for this and everyone is happy with everything - yes, for God’s sake.
I once left a successful career, the peak of which was approaching, a gorgeous figure and appearance, friends, boyfriends for the sake of maternity leave. All this falls away when you have two screaming diapered people in your arms around the clock. Because my husband wanted it that way. The mother-in-law and husband began to cry - "You’ve been together for 7 years, when you have children, it’s high time." "I so want children," "I so want grandchildren." As a result, no one except me needed these children and grandchildren. The mother-in-law completely disappeared from any radar, denying that she had her own life. Everyone wants to live their wonderful socialized life. Not only a man.
And I sit on maternity leave and try to do everything that is possible with two small children, fortunately now there is the Internet and you can work and make money remotely.
And I didn’t get divorced because my husband he doesn’t earn well or hasn’t realized himself, not because of such nonsense (yes, for me it’s nonsense, because I know how to earn money myself and because I loved him). But because at one point I realized that he had long ceased to be with me and our family, and occasionally coming home he also checked his license (there were other reasons, but not at all related to the topic). Even about mistresses, she said that I am not categorical, just let him be honest. But this is a failure too. Now he is bending over backwards to save me/the family, but it’s too late, unfortunately.
"The conclusion is this: men should under no circumstances help their wives with all these household chores. He will go to hell because of this all his possibilities." - well, let such a man not whine about children and not have them. Either he’s looking for a domestic whore-slave who will be happy about all this, or let him be ready to earn enough to provide a nanny/housekeeper for his family and then don’t whine to the woman “what happened to you/with sex” and don’t run around whores.
In the last paragraph you have too many “would”s, but they might not, and this is most likely. Why is this so - the most common option is "drunk to death". And without children, a man most often cannot withstand competition at work/responsibility/crises, etc. There are hundreds more options, but our men often choose the easiest one to derail their lives - alcohol.

I will revive only one.
c In 95% of cases, the woman initiates the birth of a child. And then she begins to reproach everyone around her and confuse her with shit, boasting that she gave birth and now the whole planet owes her.

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in 95% of cases, the initiator of the birth of a child is a woman

I agree that there are many such women. This is also because from childhood they are filled with ideas that are already outdated for a century, such as a woman should get married, give birth to a bunch of children and stay at home. It also happens not so - there are real women who like it, who really strive for it and they do it great and they are happy. Feed everyone, wash them, put them to bed. Handicraftsmen and true keepers of the home.
Thank God, my parents never polluted their brains with such attitudes. I was focused on studying, on using my intellectual resources, on achieving achievements. In principle, I didn’t think about children, I thought, well, maybe someday by the age of 30, when I’m fulfilled, I’ll give birth to one child. But then my husband’s relatives and himself began to pollute my brain. From sweet conversations between my husband and his relatives about children, a few years later it came to outright abuse, gaslighting and monthly scandals - “Why don’t you want children, you’re already 22-23-24, and you still don’t want to, you’ll never give birth.” you’ll get together and you and I won’t have children, but I want children, “and by 30 you won’t want it, but if you want it, you won’t give birth, you’ll be an old maid and there will be a lot of sores,” literally the words of my husband. And some acquaintances pressed me that at 22-23 everyone is already giving birth to at least one. At the age of 24, I was tired of brushing it off and began to think that something was wrong with me. They turned my mind completely and I agreed to plan for children. Then I even thought that I had already come to this. But in fact, I was forced by my husband and public opinion, and then it was necessary not to break from him, but to leave this relationship. Now I’m listening and reading psychology - it turns out that if partners have very different views on the birth of children to the point of swearing like this, this is a critical and obvious signal to end the marriage. A long-formulated postulate: if one of the partners forces the other to have/not have children, nothing good will happen. This is a critical difference of opinion for a relationship. I didn’t understand this then.
And I have other examples of how men were the initiators. Of course, there are fewer of them than women, but not such a situation as 95/5). In general, it’s normal when no one forces anyone, but the two of them come to this sensibly and consciously.
But sex in any case will be worse and less frequent than before birth for any woman (unless, of course, she does everything on her own and there is no help) because giving birth and raising children is very hard physically and mentally exhausting work. And not to understand this and to reproach a sleep-deprived and fucked-up woman with this is at least disgusting.
And the motherfuckers who are arrogant and believe that they are owed everything should only do one thing - go with their larvae to hell))

[Hair shirt]

You don’t know even a fraction of the situation you are discussing. Because you don’t have all the information, you draw completely wrong conclusions. Do not do it this way. Let’s finish discussing my personal life.

You are a strange person - you yourself brought your life up for discussion. I didn’t do it. And now you don’t want to hear what people who are in no way dependent on you and who see the situation from the outside tell you. Isn’t this what you wanted, for someone to look at it and tell you what your friends, acquaintances, and relatives think about all this?
Or do you prefer this concept - if I need your opinion, I’ll tell you it!
So right now you listened to me, you didn’t like it and you are broadcasting to me right now what you should have written to you. Not what I wrote, but what you just told me.

You can’t be a little pregnant. Either yes or no. From your words, you made a career. You should know how hard and difficult it is to achieve one goal and how difficult it is to complete this entire quest. And it’s better to do this without family. And if you are with a family, then you need to completely forget that you have one. This is if you really want to pursue a career and not fool around at work and just wait for the boss’s chair to become vacant. At the same time, we must complete some additional internships, go to all sorts of get-togethers for top managers in the industry (symposiums, conventions, etc.), register in all sorts of presidential programs, try to participate here and there. Along the way, acquiring acquaintances and necessary connections.

And with all this, there is a family, but somewhere far away. Over the horizon. And the home for such a person making a career is simply a home port for some kind of ship. Who is very rarely in his port, but mostly more and more at sea.
And then, after some time, there will be general stars and business cards will appear with impressive positions such as Deputy Minister of Economic Development.

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You are a strange person - you yourself brought your life up for discussion.

I brought out as an example some events from my life (so to speak, the reliability of the first lips)) and was not going to discuss my life specifically.
The fact that I responded to several of your posts, thereby allowing me to start a discussion of my life, is my mistake, I admit. This whole topic triggered me, and is triggering me now, so in order not to say too much, now I would like to put an end to this and end it.
Making a career for a man who can devote time to his family (without forgetting about it), but mainly to pursue a career without being tied every second to the house and children, and for a woman who is chained to this house with an iron chain and tied hand and foot there, these are completely different things. To me, this is obvious.
I’ll take my leave then.
Let’s no longer multiply offtopic messages.

[Amateur]

Amateur: ↑Today, 13:20
in 95% of cases, the initiator of the birth of a child is a woman
I agree that there are many such women. This is also because from childhood they are filled with ideas that are already outdated for a century, such as a woman should get married, give birth to a bunch of children and stay at home. It also happens not so - there are real women who like it, who really strive for it and they do it great and they are happy. Feed everyone, wash them, put them to bed. Handicraftsmen and true keepers of the home.
Thank God, my parents never polluted their brains with such attitudes. I was focused on studying, on using my intellectual resources, on achieving achievements. In principle, I didn’t think about children, I thought, well, maybe someday by the age of 30, when I’m fulfilled, I’ll give birth to one child. But then my husband’s relatives and himself began to pollute my brain. From sweet conversations between my husband and his relatives about children, a few years later it came to outright abuse, gaslighting and monthly scandals - “Why don’t you want children, you’re already 22-23-24, and you still don’t want to, you’ll never give birth.” you’ll get together and you and I won’t have children, but I want children, “and by 30 you won’t want it, but if you want it, you won’t give birth, you’ll be an old maid and there will be a lot of sores,” literally the words of my husband. And some acquaintances pressed me that at 22-23 everyone is already giving birth to at least one. At the age of 24, I was tired of brushing it off and began to think that something was wrong with me. They turned my mind completely and I agreed to plan for children. Then I even thought that I had already come to this. But in fact, I was forced by my husband and public opinion, and then it was necessary not to break from him, but to leave this relationship. Now I’m listening and reading psychology - it turns out that if partners have very different views on the birth of children to the point of swearing like this, this is a critical and obvious signal to end the marriage. A long-formulated postulate: if one of the partners forces the other to have/not have children, nothing good will happen. This is a critical difference of opinion for a relationship. I didn’t understand this then.
And I have other examples of how men were the initiators. Of course, there are fewer of them than women, but not such a situation as 95/5). In general, it’s normal when no one forces anyone, but the two of them come to this sensibly and consciously.
But sex in any case will be worse and less frequent than before birth for any woman (unless, of course, she does everything on her own and there is no help ) because giving birth and raising children is very hard physically and mentally exhausting work. And not to understand this and to reproach a sleep-deprived and fucked-up woman with this is at least disgusting.
And the motherfuckers who are arrogant and believe that they are owed everything should only do one thing - go with their larvae to hell))

I wrote this ratio, because among my circle of friends, the initiator of the birth of a child was either a woman, or the pregnancy "accidentally" happened. and never once was the initiator a man. These are my personal statistics. I don’t pretend to be the ultimate truth.

[Hair shirt]

I took as an example some events from my life (first-hand authenticity, so to speak)) and I did not intend to discuss my life specifically.
The fact that I responded to several of your posts, thereby allowed us to start a discussion my life, my mistake, I admit. This whole topic triggered me, and is triggering me now, so in order not to say too much, now I would like to put an end to this and end it.
Making a career for a man who can devote time to his family (without forgetting about it), but mainly to pursue a career without being tied every second to the house and children, and for a woman who is chained to this house with an iron chain and tied hand and foot there, these are completely different things. To me, this is obvious.
I’ll take my leave then.
Let’s no longer multiply offtopic messages.

I’m also for then to discuss abstract topics and never get personal on forums. But you yourself did it - you rolled out your personal, family drama in every detail. Nobody pulled your tongue. Again, this is not your personal resource, not Odnoklassniki, not VKontakte, not Facebook or LiveJournal. This forum is a public place. Therefore, it’s kind of stupid to be offended if someone suddenly expressed their own opinion on your revelations, which is not similar to yours. This is publicity, it cuts both ways. If you are so sensitive to other people’s opinions, then be careful with publicity.

Yes, and this is not off-topic. It’s quite a common situation: they were talking about one thing, but they touched on something else. It is not customary for technical forums to discuss cars where laptops are discussed. But here it’s quite normal.

and for a woman who is chained to this house with an iron chain and tied hand and foot there - completely different things

Who is to blame for the fact that you were born a woman? You had to be born a man. You are just behaving, and what you are unhappy with, and everything else is all from the position of a man. It’s as if a career man were suddenly taken away from his career and put on maternity leave with two children. And he would probably have beaten his wings against this cage in the same way and would have been just as dissatisfied with everything - with his soul mate, with the current situation, and why the hell did he even start all this.

It is necessary recognize that women and men are different. And not only externally and because of the genitals. They have different purposes. And it’s hard to argue with that. You don’t show dissatisfaction with the fact that in our country women do not have to serve in military service. You treat this normally and it doesn’t offend you. And why? You don’t wonder why women don’t serve in the army. And there are also a lot of differences that are simply unnoticeable and to which we have all become accustomed long ago and accept it by default.

That is, if you think that going on maternity leave and looking after children is humiliating and that This is not a woman’s business, so then don’t get married and don’t give birth to these children. What problems!?
Well, as for people making a career, this is a very difficult matter. It takes literally everything. This is if you really do it, and not just declare it.
And for good reason, it’s better for career people not to get married at all. And don’t get married. You yourself said that it was in vain that you got married and gave birth to children in vain. It turned out that no one needed it - neither you, nor your husband, nor anyone else.
Of course, you can’t say that, well, like children are sacred. But we’re not at a parents’ meeting here right now.

It’s better to pursue a career without being bound by marriage. You are free to choose decisions, you are the master of your personal time. You don’t need to explain to anyone seemingly illogical and stupid actions. But as a rule, only you yourself see the usefulness of certain actions. Women often interfere with making certain right decisions. Because they are too practical for that. They are incapable of doing illogical things.

Question - why are famous politicians, artists, talented engineers and scientists, as a rule, only men? Do you think it’s because they didn’t have to be on maternity leave?
I don’t think because of this. And because these men spent some part of their lives doing things that an ordinary woman would simply twirl her finger at her temple and say, “Are you fucked up doing this useless crap?” What are you painting there or what are you playing like a fool? Who needs it? Or better yet, get a job!

And then these people with a soldering iron in an empty room become Zuckerbergs, Jobs, Gates.
Do you know who is in this photo?

https://i.postimg.cc/RZvZv3TW/44444444.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/gkHGtzPm/55555555.jpg

Это Безос, самый богатый человек на свете во времена когда у него все только начиналось. И за окном там у него темно, это означает что это ночь. И на его квартиру эта комната не похожа. То есть на дворе ночь и он работает. И работает не дома.
И что либо у него семьи нет, либо она на втором месте для него. По крайней мере сейчас.

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Do you think it’s because they didn’t have to be on maternity leave?

I read your post and I completely agree with you in one paragraph, but not in another. It would take a long time to describe)
I completely disagree that women are too practical and logical. They are different, just like men)
I absolutely agree with the long-discussed topic that the fact that women are less likely to flash as achievers in a particular industry is because they were babysitting or pushed aside by children. But this is another big off-topic, and there is absolutely no desire to argue about this topic).
Sorry that I am emphasizing disagreement, but these are two points on which I, as a woman, have a completely different opinion, than you)
In general, I have the opinion that you have quite a lot of prejudices about women) at least for me, a lot of what you write about women is strange) perhaps we have different social circles of these same women . Perhaps because sometimes I would like to be born a boy/man, sometimes I behave accordingly, and sometimes I communicate with the same ones.

No, no, I’m not offended. I just gave an example of an excerpt from my life, not to discuss it, but to confirm my words on the topic of the topic. You started to promote this passage. In the end, you made your conclusions, which without additional information are simply not correct)
You made them from your position, but as you know, a lot can be interpreted in different ways. Especially when the input data is not enough and there is room for imagination. You weren’t rude, you weren’t rude, there’s nothing that would make me angry or offended, I only have positive things left from communicating with you :) I’m always pleased to talk with an intelligent, educated person. I just have a different opinion. But what is the point of two strangers on some forum proving something to each other about someone’s random private life through a few limited messages? I don’t see the point in this. Especially when I know the situation more fully. In situations that are absolutely obvious to me (and the situations listed above are just such), yes, I have long had a strong, established opinion, like you, which cannot be changed on the forums :)
Peace and blessings to your home:)

[Hair shirt]

In general, I have the opinion that you have quite a lot of prejudices about women) at least for me, a lot of what you write about women is strange) perhaps we have different social circles of these same women. Perhaps because I sometimes would like to be born a boy/man, sometimes I behave accordingly, and sometimes I communicate with the same ones.

Well, why, I am very familiar with such a situation when a woman has a masculine character. And when she has the brains of the best man. Although outwardly everything is present and even more than necessary. And such women prefer male communication. And they themselves call women nothing more than stupid cunts. And they themselves don’t like these whores - to squeeze!

I think such women need such a husband as a second half, so that he is first of all a friend, and therefore already a husband, lover and what else.
But there is one difficulty with such women. One of many.
Such a woman will have male friends everywhere. With whom she will have very good friendly and trusting relationships. Well, as if she were a man. And everything would be fine.

But as you know, there is no friendship between men and women. All the same, sooner or later a female friend and a male friend will end up in the same bed. And all because sex in such friendship is not sex like that of ordinary men and women. And this is simply the highest degree of trust. They just have such awesome friendships that one of them sometimes wants to do something nice for each other. What else can a man and woman do to please each other if they have a very good and trusting relationship? Should I give you a cake?

And it’s not entirely clear what to do in this whole situation for the husband of a woman who is actually half a man with brains?
Shut his eyes to this woman’s many male friends?
And if he can’t do anything about this jealousy of his?

And then I thought...
Or maybe your husband deliberately advised you to have children? Then you will definitely lose all these friends of yours for quite a long time.
Maybe your husband is just tired of being jealous of you? Maybe that’s why I went to the left out of jealousy and a desire to somehow influence you?
And maybe putting you on maternity leave was such a cunning plan?
Which was a success.
: -)
And right now you are banging away in this cage of yours, but you can’t do anything about it - well, you can’t hand them over to an orphanage!

[Alexas]

Familiar shit, I had the same thing.